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Adam LaRoche Mystery Team: Elimination Game

ESPN’s Peter Gammons reported that the Pittsburgh Pirates had a better offer on the table for Adam LaRoche, which involved the Pirates picking up salary for LaRoche. Gammons suggests that the Pirates went with the Red Sox offer for financial reasons.

Without knowing the team, it’s hard to say if Gammons is correct. You’d think he’d at least allude to the team with a statement like that.

Dejan Kovacevic responded in the PBC Blog, saying that the deal didn’t involve the Pirates picking up salary, but that the deal was for a marginal prospect, and an exchange of salaries with a major league player also coming in the deal. He also said San Francisco wasn’t the other team.

So who was this other team? Considering LaRoche is only under contract for a little over two months, it has to be a contender. I took every team that is a serious contender, and the Mets, and got this list:

New York Yankees
Tampa Bay Rays
Detroit Tigers
Chicago White Sox
Minnesota Twins
Los Angeles Angels
Texas Rangers
Seattle Mariners
Philadelphia Phillies
Atlanta Braves
Florida Marlins
New York Mets
St. Louis Cardinals
Chicago Cubs
Houston Astros
Milwaukee Brewers
Los Angeles Dodgers
Colorado Rockies

From that list I checked to see who had a hole at first base (or at DH for AL teams). The remaining teams:

Detroit Tigers
Seattle Mariners
Atlanta Braves

We know that the Tigers had a scout at the game on Tuesday. We also know that the Pirates had a scout at the Tigers/Mariners game on Wednesday. The Pirates also scouted a previous Seattle game.

Some of the bad contracts for those teams (that would equal the $3 M remaining for LaRoche):

Detroit: They’re full of bad contracts. Jeremy Bonderman, Dontrelle Willis, and Nate Robertson are all under contract beyond this year, but Detroit would probably need to pick up a lot of salary.

Seattle: Another team with some bad contracts. Miguel Batista is a possibility, making $9 M this year, and a free agent after the season, although Batista has a 3.23 ERA, so unlikely Seattle would try to deal him. Jose Lopez is another guy whose contract fits, although I can’t see the Mariners trading an affordable 25 year old middle infielder under contract through 2010, with a 2011 option.

Atlanta: Omar Infante matches up financially, but he’s on the DL. That’s about it as far as players who the Braves would actually consider trading.

Without knowing the team with the mystery offer, we’re left to speculation. Simple logic tells us that the team trading for LaRoche, a rental player, is going to be a contender. If they’re a contender, they’re likely not going to be giving up any player that can help them this season.

If the salaries are a wash, that either means the Pirates trade for a one year guy (wouldn’t make sense), or they trade for a guy like Infante or Lopez, with a similar salary to what LaRoche has remaining, but who is under team control beyond the 2009 season (makes a little more sense). I also don’t think a guy like Jose Lopez would be involved, as he’s young, has decent numbers, and is under team control for two more seasons.

So if a major league player was involved, and we’re looking at a salary swap, it’s probably not a player that would play a big impact. I can see how you could make an argument that the Pirates could have gotten a better return with a major league player involved, but odds are the Pirates are getting that player for one season beyond the 2009 season. I’d rather have two prospects, with one of those prospects possessing some great defensive skills at short, and with six years of team control, rather than just one or two.

If I had to guess on a team, it would be either the Tigers or Mariners, and probably Seattle with the recent loss of Adrian Beltre (Russell Branyan could move to third). That doesn’t mean I think they’d give up Jose Lopez for LaRoche though.

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  • Anonymous

    I have a theory on this "better offer" Gammons claims the Pirates had for Adam LaRoche. I think the initial offer made by the Red Sox to the Pirates involved SS Julio Lugo. When the Pirates turned down the offer for Lugo, they got the offer that they eventually took for LaRoche. I think if Dave Littlefield was still the Bucs GM, Lugo would be wearing Pirates black and gold instead of Cardinals red and blue. Thank God he's not ruining…er…running the show anymore!

  • Anonymous

    Seattle was the team that popped into my head, too. Wasn't the rumor that it was a ML-player and a prospect?

    If so, it could have been Lopez and maybe Clement or Balientien, both out of favor.

    But who would SEA have play 2B, then?

  • http://twitter.com/jlease717 John Lease

    Oh boy.  Good job, grounding into an inning ending double play Rod?  How about hitting a pitch right down the middle better than beating it into the ground?

  • maguro

    Barajas has a wheelhouse?

  • http://twitter.com/RandyLinville Randy Linville

    I wonder if Hanson was told by his coach, ‘He’s hitting half his weight and he doesn’t run well. Let him make contact and let’s get an inning ending DP.’

  • http://twitter.com/JohnToperzer John Toperzer

    I was surprised to see Barajas with a 3:18 BB:K career ratio with the bases loaded mark. Only .264 batting average in 91 at-bats.

  • st1300b

    I was frustrated with the first pitch swing also, but only because Barajas isn’t hitting half his weight, he isn’t hitting period – he needed and continues to need to look for free passes because his bat is nowhere. 
    I haven’t been impressed with his defense either. With all the blame that others have taken, and playing time lost, frankly I’m a little surprised that the Fort hasn’t gotten more game time. He’s played well, and in comparing him to Barajas he’s played like an All-Star.

  • dropkickmurphys

    There is no excuse for swinging at that pitch in those circumstances.  He must make the pitcher throw a strike.

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