Comments on: After the Deadline: In the beginning there was Rincon http://www.piratesprospects.com/2009/08/after-deadline-in-beginning-there-was.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Mon, 15 Sep 2014 04:56:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Lou http://www.piratesprospects.com/2009/08/after-deadline-in-beginning-there-was.html#comment-1357 Wed, 12 Aug 2009 02:32:21 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2009/08/after-the-deadline-in-the-beginning-there-was-rincon.html#comment-1357 Great Article. As far as your future lineup goes, I have a feeling Delwyn Young will make it as a 2B and LaRoche at 3B and Alvarez at 1B.

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By: Michael http://www.piratesprospects.com/2009/08/after-deadline-in-beginning-there-was.html#comment-1356 Thu, 06 Aug 2009 21:35:14 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2009/08/after-the-deadline-in-the-beginning-there-was-rincon.html#comment-1356 great stuff

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2009/08/after-deadline-in-beginning-there-was.html#comment-1355 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 05:11:10 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2009/08/after-the-deadline-in-the-beginning-there-was-rincon.html#comment-1355 Nice piece.

One thing, though: Ollie Perez was packaged with Roberto Hernandez, not Ramon, in the Nady-to-Pittsburgh deal.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2009/08/after-deadline-in-beginning-there-was.html#comment-1354 Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:24:48 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2009/08/after-the-deadline-in-the-beginning-there-was-rincon.html#comment-1354 Brilliant analysis.

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2009/08/after-deadline-in-beginning-there-was.html#comment-1353 Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:09:09 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2009/08/after-the-deadline-in-the-beginning-there-was-rincon.html#comment-1353 The Ramirez trade was unfortunate. As I recall, they wanted to trade Kris Benson, but Benson went down with an injury.

MLB was forcing them to shed payroll to conform to the debt/equity ratio, which is why they had to make a deal. Since this was known, it removed all leverage the Pirates had in trading Ramirez.

Combine that with DL being generally bad at trades, and you've got a salary dump with no chance of a good return.

As for "salary dump", there's a difference between a salary dump and a trade that sheds salary. I don't think any of the moves made recently were made to shed salary.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2009/08/after-deadline-in-beginning-there-was.html#comment-1352 Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:30:59 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2009/08/after-the-deadline-in-the-beginning-there-was-rincon.html#comment-1352 This is one of the most well written articles on this subject. It is a relief to read logic rather than the emotion of so many others.

None of the trades in 2008/09 were purely financially driven. Yes, dollars were saved/reallocated/whatever, but not just shaved. The Pirates were going nowhere with the players they had and would not have made an impact before their contracts were up.

The true poison trade of the last 17 yrs was the Ramirez trade to the Cubs. It completely overcame the goodwill and positive results of the Rincon tree of trades. The Ramirez deal was completely financially driven (some say due to the debt/equity issue of McClatchy) and set the team back at least 5 yrs.

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By: Robert S http://www.piratesprospects.com/2009/08/after-deadline-in-beginning-there-was.html#comment-1351 Tue, 04 Aug 2009 12:10:45 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2009/08/after-the-deadline-in-the-beginning-there-was-rincon.html#comment-1351 AMEN! Thank God for you and Charlie (Bucsdugout). You both consistently take the words right out of my mouth.

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