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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.piratesprospects.com/2009/09/pirates-got-raw-deal-with-sano.html#comment-1415</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 04:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, Tim, your last paragraph is exactly my point.  And it goes double for a franchise like the Pirates, which needs to take risks and be aggressive in order to turn themselves around.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&#039;s one thing if the Mets get outbid trusting a guy&#039;s word that they&#039;ll get a second chance.  They can always go sign a free agent.  It&#039;s just a different animal with the Pirates.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oh, well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Tim, your last paragraph is exactly my point.  And it goes double for a franchise like the Pirates, which needs to take risks and be aggressive in order to turn themselves around.</p>
<p>It&#39;s one thing if the Mets get outbid trusting a guy&#39;s word that they&#39;ll get a second chance.  They can always go sign a free agent.  It&#39;s just a different animal with the Pirates.</p>
<p>Oh, well.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.piratesprospects.com/2009/09/pirates-got-raw-deal-with-sano.html#comment-1414</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 04:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Because the guy didn&#039;t say yes to the $2.6 million offer.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At that point the Pirates had the highest offer, Plummer declined, so the Pirates either needed to:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. Up their offer&lt;br /&gt;2. Wait for Plummer to accept their offer&lt;br /&gt;3. Wait to see if anyone else outbids them, and act accordingly&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;They were also promised a chance to outbid any offers that came along.  With this information, option #1, upping the offer, seemed foolish at the time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In hindsight, it would have been the right move, which is what I think you&#039;re saying, and I&#039;d agree.  I also think that this was a play by Plummer, kind of like his &quot;Scott Boras/Tim Belcher&quot; moment.  In future negotiations, teams are going to be more willing to up their offer, even if they are the high bidder, in order to avoid this potential situation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Because the guy didn&#39;t say yes to the $2.6 million offer.&quot;</p>
<p>At that point the Pirates had the highest offer, Plummer declined, so the Pirates either needed to:</p>
<p>1. Up their offer<br />2. Wait for Plummer to accept their offer<br />3. Wait to see if anyone else outbids them, and act accordingly</p>
<p>They were also promised a chance to outbid any offers that came along.  With this information, option #1, upping the offer, seemed foolish at the time.</p>
<p>In hindsight, it would have been the right move, which is what I think you&#39;re saying, and I&#39;d agree.  I also think that this was a play by Plummer, kind of like his &quot;Scott Boras/Tim Belcher&quot; moment.  In future negotiations, teams are going to be more willing to up their offer, even if they are the high bidder, in order to avoid this potential situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.piratesprospects.com/2009/09/pirates-got-raw-deal-with-sano.html#comment-1413</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 03:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I understand exactly what you&#039;re saying, so I&#039;m only going to address your question here--&quot;If I&#039;m sitting with the highest offer, with no other bidders going against me, and a promise that I can match anyone who out-bids me, then why would I be more aggressive?&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Because the guy didn&#039;t say yes to the $2.6 million offer.  They obviously were gonna give someone a chance to top it.  I would&#039;ve, two weeks ago, gone to Plummer and Sano and offered the $4 million, the second-highest bonus ever for a guy like Sano, and dared them to say no.  If someone beats that number and they don&#039;t come back, fine.  But I feel they needed to knock Plummer&#039;s socks off and they didn&#039;t do that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By the way, I did read that Plummer gets 5% of the bonus and Sano&#039;s &quot;trainer&quot; gets 25%.  So Sano walks away with only around $1.7 million with out $2.6 offer right there (I know, my math is far from exact), so I just feel we needed to grease the palms more on this one.  Guys like him don&#039;t come around often.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;ve defended Huntington and Nutting a lot this year.  I feel for them, but they didn&#039;t do enough.  The bottom line is Sano didn&#039;t sign because of money, and they couldn&#039;t afford to let that be the sticking point this time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We probably won&#039;t see eye to eye on this, but hey, at least the Pirates know how to keep us talking about them!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand exactly what you&#39;re saying, so I&#39;m only going to address your question here&#8211;&quot;If I&#39;m sitting with the highest offer, with no other bidders going against me, and a promise that I can match anyone who out-bids me, then why would I be more aggressive?&quot;</p>
<p>Because the guy didn&#39;t say yes to the $2.6 million offer.  They obviously were gonna give someone a chance to top it.  I would&#39;ve, two weeks ago, gone to Plummer and Sano and offered the $4 million, the second-highest bonus ever for a guy like Sano, and dared them to say no.  If someone beats that number and they don&#39;t come back, fine.  But I feel they needed to knock Plummer&#39;s socks off and they didn&#39;t do that.</p>
<p>By the way, I did read that Plummer gets 5% of the bonus and Sano&#39;s &quot;trainer&quot; gets 25%.  So Sano walks away with only around $1.7 million with out $2.6 offer right there (I know, my math is far from exact), so I just feel we needed to grease the palms more on this one.  Guys like him don&#39;t come around often.</p>
<p>I&#39;ve defended Huntington and Nutting a lot this year.  I feel for them, but they didn&#39;t do enough.  The bottom line is Sano didn&#39;t sign because of money, and they couldn&#39;t afford to let that be the sticking point this time.</p>
<p>We probably won&#39;t see eye to eye on this, but hey, at least the Pirates know how to keep us talking about them!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.piratesprospects.com/2009/09/pirates-got-raw-deal-with-sano.html#comment-1412</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 03:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just didn&#039;t see the need for the Pirates to be more aggressive.  Consider:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-They were the only team with an offer before the age investigation completed in late July&lt;br /&gt;-They had the highest offer after they upped it to $2.6 M&lt;br /&gt;-Not everyone was sold on Sano. The O&#039;s refused to go beyond $2.5 M, even when given the chance to match the Twins offer.&lt;br /&gt;-The Pirates were promised a chance to match any higher offers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If I&#039;m sitting with the highest offer, with no other bidders going against me, and a promise that I can match anyone who out-bids me, then why would I be more aggressive?  That&#039;s the way I look at the situation the Pirates were in.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Unfortunately, Plummer didn&#039;t fulfill his promise of allowing the Pirates to match the better offer.  In hindsight, they should have been more aggressive, but that&#039;s an unfair stance, because back in August I don&#039;t think anyone could have predicted Plummer&#039;s actions today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just didn&#39;t see the need for the Pirates to be more aggressive.  Consider:</p>
<p>-They were the only team with an offer before the age investigation completed in late July<br />-They had the highest offer after they upped it to $2.6 M<br />-Not everyone was sold on Sano. The O&#39;s refused to go beyond $2.5 M, even when given the chance to match the Twins offer.<br />-The Pirates were promised a chance to match any higher offers.</p>
<p>If I&#39;m sitting with the highest offer, with no other bidders going against me, and a promise that I can match anyone who out-bids me, then why would I be more aggressive?  That&#39;s the way I look at the situation the Pirates were in.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, Plummer didn&#39;t fulfill his promise of allowing the Pirates to match the better offer.  In hindsight, they should have been more aggressive, but that&#39;s an unfair stance, because back in August I don&#39;t think anyone could have predicted Plummer&#39;s actions today.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.piratesprospects.com/2009/09/pirates-got-raw-deal-with-sano.html#comment-1411</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 03:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tim, I love your work, but I have to disagree here.  I don&#039;t think the Pirates were nearly aggressive enough with this agent.  Had we signed Sano, he would&#039;ve immediately been a top 5 prospect in our system, no?  This is an area where we can&#039;t afford to be outbid.  As I say in my blog post today, we didn&#039;t knock Plummer&#039;s socks off, and we needed to.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Pirates needed this kid, for their farm system, their credibility, and to show the fan base they mean business.  They can&#039;t compete on the Major League open market, so they are going to have to swing for the fences on the international markets and in the draft.  It&#039;s their only chance.  Besides, Sano accepted an offer $1 million below the record for an international under-18 signing.  We should&#039;ve gone to Plummer two weeks ago and offered $4 million.  We barely offered the kid more than what Capps is making.  So what if Neal was afraid he was bidding against himself and if they would&#039;ve spent a needless extra million--they would&#039;ve got the kid and helped shave their nickel and dime label a bit more.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am very upset by this news, if you can&#039;t tell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, I love your work, but I have to disagree here.  I don&#39;t think the Pirates were nearly aggressive enough with this agent.  Had we signed Sano, he would&#39;ve immediately been a top 5 prospect in our system, no?  This is an area where we can&#39;t afford to be outbid.  As I say in my blog post today, we didn&#39;t knock Plummer&#39;s socks off, and we needed to.  </p>
<p>The Pirates needed this kid, for their farm system, their credibility, and to show the fan base they mean business.  They can&#39;t compete on the Major League open market, so they are going to have to swing for the fences on the international markets and in the draft.  It&#39;s their only chance.  Besides, Sano accepted an offer $1 million below the record for an international under-18 signing.  We should&#39;ve gone to Plummer two weeks ago and offered $4 million.  We barely offered the kid more than what Capps is making.  So what if Neal was afraid he was bidding against himself and if they would&#39;ve spent a needless extra million&#8211;they would&#39;ve got the kid and helped shave their nickel and dime label a bit more.</p>
<p>I am very upset by this news, if you can&#39;t tell.</p>
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