Comments on: Responding to Mondesi’s House http://www.piratesprospects.com/2010/08/responding-to-mondesis-house.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Sun, 27 Jul 2014 07:42:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.1 By: Matt Bandi http://www.piratesprospects.com/2010/08/responding-to-mondesis-house.html#comment-6045 Sat, 21 Aug 2010 16:52:26 +0000 http://pittsburghlumberco.com/?p=4138#comment-6045 Agree that we need to keep the talent once it arrives and develops. But until we get to that point and see what happens, it’s hard to bash Nutting when we have no idea what will happen.

The Pirates are not really “a farm team for the rest of MLB.” Most players who are traded end up doing very little with their new teams. (http://pittsburghlumberco.com/?p=1840)

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By: DG Lewis http://www.piratesprospects.com/2010/08/responding-to-mondesis-house.html#comment-6044 Sat, 21 Aug 2010 16:35:17 +0000 http://pittsburghlumberco.com/?p=4138#comment-6044 Had they kept Capps, they probably wouldn’t have signed Dotel.

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By: rick http://www.piratesprospects.com/2010/08/responding-to-mondesis-house.html#comment-6043 Sat, 21 Aug 2010 13:12:13 +0000 http://pittsburghlumberco.com/?p=4138#comment-6043 It seems reasonable to back off, temporarily, on Nutting based on recent events, and based on some of the points made in this article. HOWEVER, when the time comes, he has got to retain this talent rather than trade it away once it starts to become more expensive, or else this is all just a pointless exercise.

I fear that the Pirates, who have always been a farm team for the rest of MLB, might turn into a really GOOD farm team for the rest of MLB, if they don’t keep the players that they are investing in at the draft and in the international market.

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By: whiteangus http://www.piratesprospects.com/2010/08/responding-to-mondesis-house.html#comment-6042 Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:10:21 +0000 http://pittsburghlumberco.com/?p=4138#comment-6042 okay, steveO… maybe Neal didnt get the so called “top” prospect because what the pirates gave up was not worthy of such? We did get top prospects in the Bay deal, as Morris and Laroche were highly thought of. The problem you are having is that some of them have not panned out. But NH has gotten plenty of talent in his dealings, but expecting a team’s #1 when youre dealing guys like wilson, mclouth and sanchez is just being hopeful and not realistic. if we had a halladay or holiday to trade, THEN YOU GET THE #1 PROSPECT.

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By: Steveospeak http://www.piratesprospects.com/2010/08/responding-to-mondesis-house.html#comment-6041 Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:07:12 +0000 http://pittsburghlumberco.com/?p=4138#comment-6041 Great post!

I think people don’t give Huntington enough credit for the job he has done with this system (and by extension Nutting as well for spending in the draft). People may say that is their job to draft well, but in reality only a handful of teams are anywhere close to what the Pirates have spent over the past couple of seasons, so they are going against the grain.

I think the biggest reason people Huntington, is because he hasn’t added any true ‘top prospect’ in all these trades. Now that is not to say he has lost all of these deals, just that he hasn’t brought back what most people were expecting. I for one understand the frustration, but at the same time think Neal has a solid B- in the trade department. The one failure I think that comes back on the Pirates is the Matt Capps non-tender last winter.

Now I realize they ‘spent’ that money on Dotel, who they did a nice job of flipping, but there is no reason they couldn’t have kept Capps as well. While Wilson Ramos doesn’t appeal as much to Pittsburgh with Sanchez in the system, he is a better quality prospect than Lambo. I don’t think Pittsburgh should just spend to spend, but there is little reason to part with Capps for nothing.

I hope the Pirates take the Dotel approach and add a couple of guys who could be midseason trade candidates. One to hopefully make the Pirates better for the first half of the season, two keep the seats warm for the prospects in the system, three give some veteran leadership, and four bring back more potential prospects next season, and finally five, to spend some money to shut up the naysayers.

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By: Matt http://www.piratesprospects.com/2010/08/responding-to-mondesis-house.html#comment-6040 Thu, 19 Aug 2010 16:32:53 +0000 http://pittsburghlumberco.com/?p=4138#comment-6040 Now Mike, come on now. Evil Villains take all savings, especially the ones they create themselves by devoiding the system of any players with real contracts, like Jason Bay, Xavier Nady and Nate McLouth, and then pockets it all. They don’t save it, they spend it.

Bandi, great writing. I was a bit disappointed in Mondesi, if only because the post was more piling on than anything else. Yes, the organization is in dead last in both the standings and the payroll department. Who doesn’t know that by now? Even the national sports talk show hosts know that, and they have for years. Good job insulting someone with the obvious.

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By: Mike http://www.piratesprospects.com/2010/08/responding-to-mondesis-house.html#comment-6039 Thu, 19 Aug 2010 05:29:19 +0000 http://pittsburghlumberco.com/?p=4138#comment-6039 WHAT IF ?
What if Nutting saw early on how sad a state the team was in when he took over, and decided that while rebuilding , he would stockpile cash for the necessity to pay big dollars when the kids all come up for free agency ? In the long term it makes sense, even though he’d take a lot of heat for 2-4 years for having such a low salary. He might have the last laugh, though.

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By: Bones http://www.piratesprospects.com/2010/08/responding-to-mondesis-house.html#comment-6038 Thu, 19 Aug 2010 05:19:53 +0000 http://pittsburghlumberco.com/?p=4138#comment-6038 My only concern is whether I wrote this comment, and don’t remember it. Hmmm. Needs more sarcasm, delusional nonsense, and concision – wasn’t me.

Well said, Matt.

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By: Scott http://www.piratesprospects.com/2010/08/responding-to-mondesis-house.html#comment-6037 Wed, 18 Aug 2010 21:30:17 +0000 http://pittsburghlumberco.com/?p=4138#comment-6037 Fantastic post. I think people fail to appreciate just how far down the rabbit hole we were after the Bonifay/Littlfield eras. A franchise was destroyed over 15 years, so it is going to take more than two years to fix it. And what many fans don’t want to hear is that slow and methodical organization building is the only way to go, following the D-Rays and Twins models.

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By: El Scotto http://www.piratesprospects.com/2010/08/responding-to-mondesis-house.html#comment-6036 Wed, 18 Aug 2010 20:37:05 +0000 http://pittsburghlumberco.com/?p=4138#comment-6036 “Not only was Littlefield’s tenure disastrous, but the tenure of Cam Bonifay was a nightmare as well. That royal line produced fifteen years of overpaying for mediocre veterans combined with botched drafting, resulting in what BP accurately referred to as the equivalent of a condemned house.”

Amen, W.K.K. I’m not optimistic in the sense that I’m just going to wait until Tallion appears at the big club to be an ace by any means, but I’ll take the young, high-upside guys over the mid-20′s guys like Pierce, Bowker, etc any day. Good job to the F.O. on this one.

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