Comments on: Pirates’ 2010 Offseason – An Inflection Point http://www.piratesprospects.com/2010/09/pirates-2010-offseason-an-inflection-point.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Fri, 06 Jun 2014 05:45:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.3 By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2010/09/pirates-2010-offseason-an-inflection-point.html#comment-1598 Sat, 25 Sep 2010 22:05:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=4236#comment-1598 If you do lose 5-6 players from the Top 30 and they would be something like:
Rudy Owens
Justin Wilson
Diego Moreno
Robbie Grossman
Quinton Miller
Brian Friday

but you got Baker and Shields (or 1 pitcher and 1 ML-proven bat), would you miss them? I wouldn’t if Baker/Shields would produce here as they have up to this point in their careers.

You can’t build solely on minor league talent. Sometimes you need to augment with trades. Baker and Shields are 3.5 to 4 WAR players, which would be about 5 more wins total than what they are replacing.

I think 2 additions, natural improvement from the core guys (4 additional wins), McCutchen not slumping after his injury (1 more win), a better manager (3 wins) will get this team to the zone of 74 wins in 2011. Then they can get serious about FA’s or additional trades to put them over the hump of .500 in 2012.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2010/09/pirates-2010-offseason-an-inflection-point.html#comment-1596 Sat, 25 Sep 2010 13:13:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=4236#comment-1596 If the Pirates acquired two of the four pitchers you cited (preferably Baker and Shields), they would have to give up 5-6 of their top 30 prospects. The Bucs would also have two major league proven starting pitchers to go along with McDonald, Maholm, and Ohlendorf. That would an intriguing rotation!

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2010/09/pirates-2010-offseason-an-inflection-point.html#comment-1593 Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:31:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=4236#comment-1593 I like the players you mentioned, but I still don’t think the system is strong enough to withstand trading prospects. Maybe a couple if the return is unbelievable like Doumit 2 prospects for a ML arm and MiLB arm. I really think the pirtes should dump LaRoche, Doumit, Jones, Malholm, and Cedeno for prospects. Sign Brad Penney, Brandon Webb, and maybe a NT like Kazmir as well as Austin Kearns, JJ Hardy to play short, and another NT like maybe an EE from the jays. That would be my perfect offseason. Add decent talent to the ML, and maybe a couple A ball B grade prospects. With the new talent serving as trade chips for when the system replacements are ready.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2010/09/pirates-2010-offseason-an-inflection-point.html#comment-1590 Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:09:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=4236#comment-1590 I’ve taken to calling Rudy Owens “Universal Trading Chip” because he is the kind of player that all teams always seem to like. He’s a LHP with great control and can contribute close to right away. He’s dependable and should eat innings by being efficient with pitches.

I looked at the 4 pitchers mentioned as targets separately at my blog (Dale Berra’s Stash) and came up with approximate packages. Keep in mind Dan Haren’s deal set the bar (low, I might add) for recent deals.

Basically, I think Owens or Locke, plus a guy ranked 11-20, plus a reliever may do it.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2010/09/pirates-2010-offseason-an-inflection-point.html#comment-1589 Thu, 23 Sep 2010 19:43:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=4236#comment-1589 I like the players you’re interested in acquiring and I’m wondering who you think the Pirates would have to give up to get them. In their current state, the Bucs would have to overpay to attract quality free agents, which isn’t good business sense. The Pirates need to be open to the idea of trading some of the talent in their farm system for quality major leaguers. If they acquire the right mix of players and can be competitive, then they can add the free agents they need to fill in any holes in order to reach the postseason.

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