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	<title>Comments on: The 40-60-80 Arbitration Rule</title>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 04:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know if you&#039;ve seen the work I did on this at onlybucs, but looking at both the pre-2009 and pre-2010 offseasons, I found that the arb scale is basically what Tango and Matt suggest: 20/40/60/80. The differences between your study and mine were that I didn&#039;t exclude closers, did exclude multi-year deals, and used CHONE projections rather than the previous season&#039;s WAR (and had a bigger sample size). The projections approximate how the market sees players better than a single year of WAR data does, as you note in talking about the difference between single-year and multi-year WAR figures. I think you should exclude multi-year deals, too, as they skew the results (multi-year deals will come at a discount of presumed arb prices for obvious reasons).

The other big advantage my study had was a larger sample size. For instance, I got something similar to what you did for 2009, despite our different criteria and inputs: an average of 58% of market value for second-time arb-eligible super-twos; 62% of market value for second-time arb-eligible non-super-twos. So that&#039;s pretty similar, as you found (my numbers are higher than yours because I didn&#039;t exclude closers, probably). But when I added the 2010 data, the average for both years was 43% of market value for second-time arb-eligible super-twos and 55% for second-time arb-eligible non-super-twos, which looks more like the 40/60/80 scale that Tango suggests.

As with you, my numbers got a little wonky when looking at arb awards for players with 5+ years of service, mostly because the samples are so small.

This won&#039;t affect your results much in this particular case, but you should keep your criteria the same for every sample of players. You included a closer and several players with less than 0.5 WAR in your sample of second-time arb-eligible super-twos. If you eliminate those, your result will be very close to what I got for 2009: 56%.

Anyway, the larger sample I used does reveal a pattern that approaches 20/40/60/80, but even in my study the samples for the last year probably weren&#039;t big enough. I do think my study demonstrates that super-twos are paid according to years of service rather than times through arbitration (i.e., super-twos make less than what first-time arb-eligibles with 3+ years of service do, and previous super-twos with 3+ years of service make roughly the same as first-time arb-eligibles with 3+ years of service, etc.).

I only used two years of data because those were the only years for which I could easily get WAR projections, but I&#039;d be interested to see what you find if you apply your method to multiple years of data. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;ve seen the work I did on this at onlybucs, but looking at both the pre-2009 and pre-2010 offseasons, I found that the arb scale is basically what Tango and Matt suggest: 20/40/60/80. The differences between your study and mine were that I didn&#8217;t exclude closers, did exclude multi-year deals, and used CHONE projections rather than the previous season&#8217;s WAR (and had a bigger sample size). The projections approximate how the market sees players better than a single year of WAR data does, as you note in talking about the difference between single-year and multi-year WAR figures. I think you should exclude multi-year deals, too, as they skew the results (multi-year deals will come at a discount of presumed arb prices for obvious reasons).</p>
<p>The other big advantage my study had was a larger sample size. For instance, I got something similar to what you did for 2009, despite our different criteria and inputs: an average of 58% of market value for second-time arb-eligible super-twos; 62% of market value for second-time arb-eligible non-super-twos. So that&#8217;s pretty similar, as you found (my numbers are higher than yours because I didn&#8217;t exclude closers, probably). But when I added the 2010 data, the average for both years was 43% of market value for second-time arb-eligible super-twos and 55% for second-time arb-eligible non-super-twos, which looks more like the 40/60/80 scale that Tango suggests.</p>
<p>As with you, my numbers got a little wonky when looking at arb awards for players with 5+ years of service, mostly because the samples are so small.</p>
<p>This won&#8217;t affect your results much in this particular case, but you should keep your criteria the same for every sample of players. You included a closer and several players with less than 0.5 WAR in your sample of second-time arb-eligible super-twos. If you eliminate those, your result will be very close to what I got for 2009: 56%.</p>
<p>Anyway, the larger sample I used does reveal a pattern that approaches 20/40/60/80, but even in my study the samples for the last year probably weren&#8217;t big enough. I do think my study demonstrates that super-twos are paid according to years of service rather than times through arbitration (i.e., super-twos make less than what first-time arb-eligibles with 3+ years of service do, and previous super-twos with 3+ years of service make roughly the same as first-time arb-eligibles with 3+ years of service, etc.).</p>
<p>I only used two years of data because those were the only years for which I could easily get WAR projections, but I&#8217;d be interested to see what you find if you apply your method to multiple years of data. </p>
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