Comments on: Highlights From Frank Coonelly’s MLB.com Chat http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/01/highlights-from-frank-coonellys-mlb-com-chat.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Fri, 25 Jul 2014 23:36:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.1 By: Ian Rothermund http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/01/highlights-from-frank-coonellys-mlb-com-chat.html#comment-18631 Thu, 02 Aug 2012 01:33:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=5346#comment-18631 Personally I’m a big fan of the long-term potential that was added by these trades. I also think they’ll help in the short term as well, maybe not as much as one of the rental players they could have overpaid for, but I think it will be enough. Im just sick now of the, try and hope you win now at all costs mentality. No, the prospects aren’t proven and we don’t know where they’ll end up down the road. However, with the high upside guys, you have the potential for a bright future; may e it works out, maybe it doesn’t. Without them though, you know exactly where they’ll be 3-4 years from now. I’m also willing to bet that the same people clammering for a big time trade are the same people that would abandon this team as soon as the Pirates starting sucking again because they couldn’t afford to resign Choo, Pence, or Upton.

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By: Ian Rothermund http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/01/highlights-from-frank-coonellys-mlb-com-chat.html#comment-18630 Thu, 02 Aug 2012 01:25:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=5346#comment-18630 #freeadalberto!

Lol.

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By: Yukudukes http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/01/highlights-from-frank-coonellys-mlb-com-chat.html#comment-18608 Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:58:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=5346#comment-18608 The thing is Lincoln hasn’t been used in the 7th inning role all that often. He’s been the 5th-7th, “keep it close” guy who comes in and pitches from behind in tight games. Or he’s been the old school multi inning closer with a big lead. If he were already the 7th or 8th inning guy, then I agree, I’d prefer them not make this deal now, but he hasn’t been. He’s basically been a low-leverage middle reliever with the exception of the showdown with Thome. Lincoln was great while miscast in his minor role and removing him from that role and replacing him with somebody like Qualls doesn’t really hurt as much as adding a young guy with 30+ HR potential who could ultimately be better than Pence this season and into the future helps even short run.

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By: TonyPenaforHOF http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/01/highlights-from-frank-coonellys-mlb-com-chat.html#comment-18558 Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:11:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=5346#comment-18558 I agree. Even though I like the trade I would rather have moved Hanrahan for two good, young, close to MLB ready players and kept Lincoln.

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By: st1300b http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/01/highlights-from-frank-coonellys-mlb-com-chat.html#comment-18504 Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:43:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=5346#comment-18504 If you look a little closer at Sniders stats he doesn’t show nearly the strikeout issues that Pedro has with similar power capability. This is a significantly underated trade IMO and I believe will be viewed long term as Neal Huntington’s signature trade. I think that highly of Snider being added to this roster. The next viable position player coming from the minors is??? Nobody for a few years, that’s who – so unless you’re going to bring in an average free agent, you take advantage of a club like Toronto buying high on Lincoln.

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By: Greatone1210 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/01/highlights-from-frank-coonellys-mlb-com-chat.html#comment-18488 Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:41:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=5346#comment-18488 Agreed. Teams need a balance. If you tip it too far into one category, it is a big risk. Take a look at our SP. Dominant in the first half, now starting to be a little less reliable. So we add a piece to it with Wandy. Our offense has slumped a bit, add Snider for hopefully extra offense and defense. Brought Marte up to help out the same way. Since bullpen has been strong, trade a piece of it and promote someone from AAA. It’s like keeping multiple dishes spinning on dial rods all around you.

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By: Greatone1210 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/01/highlights-from-frank-coonellys-mlb-com-chat.html#comment-18487 Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:37:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=5346#comment-18487 Let me clarify, I don’t think we should ignore this years playoff chase but I think a tempered enthusiasm is the right demeanor to have. I am not going to be heartbroken if we miss the playoffs. I will be heartbroken if we don’t finish with a winning record.

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By: Kirk Lee http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/01/highlights-from-frank-coonellys-mlb-com-chat.html#comment-18473 Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:58:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=5346#comment-18473 Also, very few teams make the playoffs with pretty good starting pitching, very bad offense, and an outstanding bullpen. That’s what the Pirates had a few days ago. Relying on your bullpen to carry your team is foolish. If you have a chance to upgrade a very bad offense by weakening a dominant bullpen, I think it helps you in the long run 2 out of 3 times.

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By: Kirk Lee http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/01/highlights-from-frank-coonellys-mlb-com-chat.html#comment-18472 Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:56:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=5346#comment-18472 Pretty good point. I disagree that we should ignore this year’s playoff race, especially with the current standings and the ease of our remaining schedule, but I do agree that we shouldn’t ignore opportunities to strengthen our future chances… Especially by dealing Hanrahan, who I would rather have seen be dealt in this trade. Overall though, I think this trade accomplished something like what you are suggesting: building a little more for the future.

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By: Kirk Lee http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/01/highlights-from-frank-coonellys-mlb-com-chat.html#comment-18470 Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:49:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=5346#comment-18470 As Huntington said, sometimes you need to add and subtract. The Pirates were buyers with Rodrgiuez and did a little future-compromising. This move might offset that a bit. Also, I disagree that this makes us worse this year. Why will Morris be ready next year, but not now? Maybe the FO thinks he’s good to go and that had something to do with this trade. In any event, while it won’t be easy to replace Lincoln’s absolute shutdown performance, it should nevertheless be easy for the Pirates to replace him with a GOOD 7th inning reliever, which is enough. Meanwhile, Snyder has the potential to be a huge upgrade on McGehee/Presley/Sutton/Whoever he replaces in the lineup. It’s not a guarantee, but if he keeps putting up Carlos Pena/Pedro Alvarez style numbers then we just got a big time power hitter for RF, with albeit, a low OBP. That kind of guy adds WAY more value, right now even, than a dominant one-inning pitcher. What the Pirates did doesn’t necessarily hurt their chances right now, it merely rolls the dice on them. Snider could easily give us a huge push in the playoff race, or he could not and we lost a good reliever for the year. We pretty much knew what we were getting with Lincoln. Now, we don’t have that security, but we have the chance for a whole lot more.

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