Comments on: What Kind of Trade Value Does Hanrahan Have? http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/05/what-kind-of-trade-value-does-hanrahan-have.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Sat, 26 Jul 2014 12:58:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.1 By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/05/what-kind-of-trade-value-does-hanrahan-have.html#comment-7284 Mon, 06 Jun 2011 18:23:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=11140#comment-7284 So right now people are hoping for either
1. a current top 25 guy and will stay that way till he gets a call up? (Perez)
2. a guy that looks like he will be on the mid-season top 25? (Profar)
3. A guy that is considered to be a potential mid-season top 50-100 guy? (Erlin/Ramierz/Olt)

Has anyone went back and looked at historical returns for premier setup men? Most, if not all, deals for relievers tend to deal with guys in the bottom part of a teams top 10 or top 20. I understand asking for the moon, but…

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/05/what-kind-of-trade-value-does-hanrahan-have.html#comment-7091 Sat, 28 May 2011 22:43:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=11140#comment-7091 You make this article’s point!

Perez is a top-25 guy…in all of MiLB.  We’re not talking “top 10″ prospects in an organization, we’re talking 2 guys in the top 100 of all MiLB.

I do not believe Perez would be on the table.  Profar may be obtainable.  I don’t know what else we would be able to get – Robert Erlin (LHP in A+ ball)? Neil Ramirez (RHP in AAA)?  Maybe make a grab at a Jacob Skole and play on some long-term upside?  How about Miguel De Los Santos (LHP in AA – 14.3k/9 in his MiLB career)?

But if Profar is not part of the deal….we do nothing.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/05/what-kind-of-trade-value-does-hanrahan-have.html#comment-7092 Sat, 28 May 2011 22:43:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=11140#comment-7092 You make this article’s point!

Perez is a top-25 guy…in all of MiLB.  We’re not talking “top 10″ prospects in an organization, we’re talking 2 guys in the top 100 of all MiLB.

I do not believe Perez would be on the table.  Profar may be obtainable.  I don’t know what else we would be able to get – Robert Erlin (LHP in A+ ball)? Neil Ramirez (RHP in AAA)?  Maybe make a grab at a Jacob Skole and play on some long-term upside?  How about Miguel De Los Santos (LHP in AA – 14.3k/9 in his MiLB career)?

But if Profar is not part of the deal….we do nothing.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/05/what-kind-of-trade-value-does-hanrahan-have.html#comment-7060 Fri, 27 May 2011 06:05:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=11140#comment-7060 Using Hanrahan as a setup man would keep his arb. figures down so he’d be even more valuable for Texas.
The truth is Hammer is too valuable unless a team wants to overpay. Perez/Profar, another top 10 guy and a lotto ticket guy is fair if they want the immediate and sure thing that is Joel. 3 for 1 and much like the McLouth deal.

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By: Steve Zielinski http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/05/what-kind-of-trade-value-does-hanrahan-have.html#comment-7042 Thu, 26 May 2011 17:01:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=11140#comment-7042 I wasn’t ignoring the other teams as much as I tried to hone in on the Profar for Hanrahan swap as a trade of two players with roughly equivalent present-day values. The trade makes sense according to that assessment.

As to your point about the other teams. Presumably, the Mets will unload KRod. That would be a tough opponent for the Pirates if try to trade Hanrahan to the Rangers. This is especially clear if the Rangers use KRod as a setup man for Feliz, a use that would avoid triggering KRod’s vesting mechanism.

Of course, the Rangers also need to worry about the Yankees or Red Sox acquiring KRod! The Rangers also need to worry about the Pirates trading Hanrahan to the Yankees for Jesus Montero!

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/05/what-kind-of-trade-value-does-hanrahan-have.html#comment-7038 Thu, 26 May 2011 15:58:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=11140#comment-7038 Completely agree I can see the Rangers moving Andrus(who will be arb eligible after this season I believe) after 2012 or 2013 to make room for Profar who seems to profile as a MUCH better hitter

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/05/what-kind-of-trade-value-does-hanrahan-have.html#comment-7037 Thu, 26 May 2011 15:50:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=11140#comment-7037 The problem with this thinking is that it ignores the other teams, and other trade pieces on the market.  The Rangers could get a lot for Profar or Perez alone.  They wouldn’t give up both for Hanrahan, who they plan on using as a set-up man this year.  They could split them up and get two Hanrahans.  Or, they could keep both, and wait for a team that gives up a top reliever for a lesser return.

If their only option was trading with the Pirates, then it would be more likely that they’d make the deal.  Since they have 28 other teams to trade with, it makes it less likely that the Pirates land one of the top guys, and impossible to land both.

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/05/what-kind-of-trade-value-does-hanrahan-have.html#comment-7036 Thu, 26 May 2011 15:47:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=11140#comment-7036 I think the problem is that good shortstops aren’t made available in the following situations:

1. Trades for pending free agents (LaRoche)
2. Trades for over-paid/injury prone players who are past their prime (Wilson)
3. Throw-ins for a Carrasco/Church/Crosby for Snyder trade, which was basically a big swap of salaries
4. In the Rule 5 draft.

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By: Todd Smith http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/05/what-kind-of-trade-value-does-hanrahan-have.html#comment-7027 Thu, 26 May 2011 04:26:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=11140#comment-7027 You think Ian Snell, Jack Wilson, Adam LaRoche, DJ Carrasco, Ryan Church or Bobby Crosby should return a blue chip prospect at ANY position – much less a blue chip shortstop?

That’s funny.

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By: Steve Zielinski http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/05/what-kind-of-trade-value-does-hanrahan-have.html#comment-7025 Wed, 25 May 2011 15:19:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=11140#comment-7025 Well, they did like Zane Smith who did help the team win the penant.

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