Comments on: Should the Pirates Make a Move? http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/06/should-the-pirates-make-a-move.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Tue, 16 Sep 2014 15:10:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: MarcH http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/06/should-the-pirates-make-a-move.html#comment-7670 Fri, 01 Jul 2011 22:01:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=12690#comment-7670 “With the pitching expected to regress”

That comment is exactly in line with your “it’s the Pirates” lazy-type comment.

Sit back enjoy the ride and realize that maybe, just maybe, Ray Searage is as good as we hope he is.  Searage came in and went completely old school with the guys.  He focused on what they did well, and made them better at it.

Just because you can throw 4 pitches, doesn’t mean you should, and Searage has pounded that into the heads of our pitchers.  Look no further than Morton.

Morton got away from what he does best and what he had been doing, and he’s struggled.  I expect to see a lot of sinkers and four seamers tonight.

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By: Todd Smith http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/06/should-the-pirates-make-a-move.html#comment-7630 Wed, 29 Jun 2011 14:48:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=12690#comment-7630 I think even Brandon Wood would be a better option at short at this point.  Wood is hitting .280/.308/.420 to Cedeno’s .253/.310/.342 in June.  The defense has hardly fallen apart when Wood has played the position.  Cedeno’s defense is more about quantity than quality.  He’s making the plays that major league shortstops are expected to make, and he’s making a lot of them.  That speaks more to the success of our pitching staff than it does of Ronny’s defense.  He’s hardly the second coming of Jack Wilson out there.  As he will be a free agent at the end of the season and most likely won’t be coming back after having such a bad year – he serves no real purpose on this team.  

Plug d’Arnaud in at SS, Presley in RF, Hague at 1B…get Alvarez, Doumit and Tabata healthy and that lineup looks solid top to bottom.  Presley, Tabata, McCutchen, Doumit, Walker, Alvarez, Hague, d’Arnaud.  Don’t think they really have to make any big trades right now, they just need to get healthy.

Although, I do think they should try to move Maholm while his value is high.  I don’t trust him to keep this up for long.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/06/should-the-pirates-make-a-move.html#comment-7599 Mon, 27 Jun 2011 23:39:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=12690#comment-7599 As far as getting someone, I would like to see the Bucs make a major deal with the Astro’s and get Wallace the first basemen, I like him a lot and Pence.
We would have to give up a lot to get them, but they would be fixtures for a while with this team.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/06/should-the-pirates-make-a-move.html#comment-7598 Mon, 27 Jun 2011 23:35:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=12690#comment-7598 It appears that the people that don’t like Cedano will not let go no matter what he does.
The Pirates won a world series in 1971 with a SS that hit .206 and a backup that hit .224.
Defensively Cedano is as good as anyone they could get or will get since the only SS’s that are regarded as better are regarded as better because they hit better.
The up the middle defense for the Pirates has been very solid this year and has not been inconsistent.
The reason Cedano will not be inconsistent this year is because he is coached much better than he has been in the recent past, as a matter of fact, this whole team is coached much better than it has been in the past going back many years, that is why the shoe is not going to drop on this years Bucs.
Will they wear down is more like what could happen to them?

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/06/should-the-pirates-make-a-move.html#comment-7593 Mon, 27 Jun 2011 15:48:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=12690#comment-7593 If this team remains where it is in the standings come deadline day, there will be a whole lotta interesting decisions.  Someone like Hardy would be a nice acquisition, because he fills a need where the Bucs don’t have a real quality option on the horizon.  While the Pirates may be “buyers” for someone like Hardy or a corner outfielder, I can also see dealing Maholm and/or Hanrahan if some GM falls in love with either of them; to give an extreme example, if the Yankees decide that Montero’s defense is too problematic behind the plate, and they want to deal him for Maholm, I think you jump on that in a heartbeat (I say “extreme”, but I’m not convinced that the Yankees aren’t stupid enough to do that.)  Likewise, I know Hanrahan has been lights-out this year, but he’s only a couple of seasons from booting the closer’s job in Washington; if teams want to get in a bidding war for him, I think the Pirates have to be willing to be overwhelmed.   All in all, I’m glad I’m not Neal Huntington right now.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/06/should-the-pirates-make-a-move.html#comment-7591 Mon, 27 Jun 2011 15:28:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=12690#comment-7591 Cedeno and Lyle have immeasurably helped the pitching staff; their defense has helped allow our pitchers to gain CONFIDENCE to pitch to contact, and therefore put together an unbelievable number of quality starts – under TWO runs over six innings.  

I do not expect Cedeno to hit better than .240.  I do expect Tabata and Walker to hit better than they have.  I expect them both to be over .290.  THEY need to continue to improve.Xavier Paul needs to be mentioned as a potential fixture in the future, as well.  Playing only part-time to date,  the guy simply performs, with his speed, throwing arm, and ability to get on base.Lastly, this team is winning because of the most important ingredient which you missed, Tim.  This team BELIEVES it WILL win, every single game.  Pitchers believe we’ve won the game if we are ahead at the end of eight, and Hanny is available.  The ENERGY of this team is palpable, as has been stated by some opposing managers.  

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/06/should-the-pirates-make-a-move.html#comment-7589 Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:27:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=12690#comment-7589 Tim, I disagree with you that Cedeno’s defense has been inconsistent and also that is has been just good. Along with Reyes and Tulo, Ronny has played as good as SS as you can get. It was not practical to expect Cedeno to hit like he did just for after Wood was acquired. After that two week drought he has been fairly consistent at bat over the last two weeks. The SS position is grueling and can wear down a player and Ronny faces that at times. While the position can be updated offensively it won’t be easy. Talks about trades for Reyes or Hardy border from the sublime to depleting the farm system. Ronny will always be inconsistent at the bat, but his defense  (way more than just good) is one reason why the Pirates have greatly improved.

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/06/should-the-pirates-make-a-move.html#comment-7588 Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:05:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=12690#comment-7588 Jones does struggle against left handers.  But against right handers he has a .276/.374/.485 line this year.  Overbay has actually been decent against LHP (.731 OPS), but he’s really struggling against right handers with a .215/.296/.343 line this year.

I don’t think this is a fantasy baseball argument.  When one guy has a .638 OPS against right handers, and another guy has an .859 OPS against right handers, it becomes a smart baseball decision to go with the guy putting up better numbers, regardless of whether that baseball is real or fantasy baseball.  It would be one thing if Overbay was close, and Jones just had the better numbers.  However, Overbay’s OPS is more than 200 points lower than Jones against right handers.

They both struggle against left handers, and more-so for Jones.  But you see right handers more than twice as much as you see left handers, which makes their numbers against RHP more important.

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/06/should-the-pirates-make-a-move.html#comment-7587 Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:59:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=12690#comment-7587 Cedeno has a history of being inconsistent.  He shows decent play for awhile, then he struggles.  Earlier in the season (right after Wood was acquired) he went on a run where he was hitting over .300.  Then he faded and was hitting below .200 for a stretch.  That’s been the story of his career.  He gets a wake up call, but he goes back to sleep after awhile.

As for his defense, it has been good, although it has also been a bit inconsistent.  I just don’t think that his defense has been good enough for us to ignore his offensive struggles.

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By: aaron s http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/06/should-the-pirates-make-a-move.html#comment-7586 Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:51:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=12690#comment-7586 Agree with just about everything here.  Was a good read.

I’m not sure where all of these Cedeno backers came from, but it’s plain and simple:  he cannot hit.  “he’s hit .250 over the last 7-8 weeks”.  You can take the worst player in the league’s stats and say “oh, he hit .363 this past month, he’s an all-star”.  The fact is that Ronny is hitting .237 in June and has a sub .300 OBP for the season.  d’Arnaud has plus defense at SS and I can all but guarantee an OBP > .300.  I’d love to see him at SS when Alvarez gets back in the lineup.  I’d also rather see Harrison/d’Arnaud on the left side of the infield now.

I had a dream that Lastings Milledge got picked up by the Braves and hit for the cycle last night… so if that happens I call dibs on being psychic.  Boy, I wish we had him platooning in RF about now instead of Matt Diaz…

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