Comments on: Buyers or Sellers: Can the Pirates Be Both? http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/07/buyers-or-sellers-can-the-pirates-be-both.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Thu, 29 May 2014 18:11:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.3 By: Corey Barcus http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/07/buyers-or-sellers-can-the-pirates-be-both.html#comment-8370 Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:21:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=13206#comment-8370 I wish they would become sellers, and sell the team to a billionaire and not a millionaire.

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/07/buyers-or-sellers-can-the-pirates-be-both.html#comment-7803 Thu, 07 Jul 2011 21:29:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=13206#comment-7803 How does a team manage to “groom” a player for a closer role?  What’s the process?

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By: Hank Stull http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/07/buyers-or-sellers-can-the-pirates-be-both.html#comment-7795 Thu, 07 Jul 2011 20:33:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=13206#comment-7795 Then lets just hope his Luck dont run out

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/07/buyers-or-sellers-can-the-pirates-be-both.html#comment-7792 Thu, 07 Jul 2011 20:25:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=13206#comment-7792 I could do a whole post on Maholm (and I’m probably going to).  The key point is that he hasn’t seen those major changes.  His strikeout rate is barely up from last year. His walk rate is also up. The reason he is successful this year is because he’s stranding more runners, seeing fewer balls in play drop for hits, and seeing fewer fly balls go over the fence.  That’s nothing that he’s doing.  It’s luck, and it’s not sustainable.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/07/buyers-or-sellers-can-the-pirates-be-both.html#comment-7789 Thu, 07 Jul 2011 20:19:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=13206#comment-7789 I would like to see the Pirates aquire 1B Chris Davis from the Rangers. I’m not sure who they could swap for him, but I don’t think they would have to give up much. He continues to be blocked by guys like Michael Young and Mitch Moreland. He is still young at 25, and he has had success in the majors in the past. He’s currently batting .372 with 20 home runs and 55 RBIs in just 37 games at AAA-Round Rock. Those numbers are insane. He would also be a great long term bat, which would be better than the Carlos Pena trade in my opinion. Although, I wouldn’t be upset if the Bucs aquired Pena. Overbay has always been known for his defense, but I think the Bucs could take a slight downgrade at defense for a better bat.

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By: HankS http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/07/buyers-or-sellers-can-the-pirates-be-both.html#comment-7788 Thu, 07 Jul 2011 20:03:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=13206#comment-7788 His SO/9 was 6.3 he raised it to 7.4 in those splits
His walks he did cut in half it seems but thats the thing he got better…. So is it possible Maholm is getting better?

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/07/buyers-or-sellers-can-the-pirates-be-both.html#comment-7787 Thu, 07 Jul 2011 19:55:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=13206#comment-7787 You’re just showing me the ERA.  You can’t base anything off of ERA alone.  How did the pitcher get there?  Did he start striking out more batters?  Did he get more ground balls and cut down on fly balls and home runs?  Did he cut down on walks?

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By: HankS http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/07/buyers-or-sellers-can-the-pirates-be-both.html#comment-7786 Thu, 07 Jul 2011 19:50:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=13206#comment-7786 Ok so Player A pitches 1336 innings and has a 3.62 era at this point in time Player A is now 29 years old.. you saying by the numbers he will not be any better then what he shows now?????

The same player now 34 has pitched 1097 innings since turning 30 and is posting a 2.85 era 
So is he pitchig over his Head?

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/07/buyers-or-sellers-can-the-pirates-be-both.html#comment-7784 Thu, 07 Jul 2011 19:11:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=13206#comment-7784 You’re straying off topic here, and really reaching.

Clement is a hitter.  Maholm is a pitcher.  You can’t make an argument for one and apply it to the other.

Clemente put up good numbers prior to 1961.  In 1961 (actually, in 1960) he added power to his game.  That’s not uncommon for a hitter to add power at the age of 25-26.

Meanwhile, Maholm is 29 years old, and has pitched almost 1100 innings in the majors.  And it’s not something as simple as doing what Clement did and adding power as he reached his prime years.  Maholm is playing over his head with unsustainable ratios.  To say that Maholm can continue to put up these ratios is just living in denial.

I’ve got almost 1000 innings backing up my stance on Maholm, not to mention he’s past the “Clemente 60-61″ stage of entering his prime.  It’s luck, and it’s nothing we haven’t seen before out of Maholm.  Dismiss the stats if you want to, believe what you want to, but the stats are right.

WHEN Maholm sees a regression, and becomes a 4.08 ERA pitcher, rather than a 3.08 ERA pitcher, realize that he was just playing over his head.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/07/buyers-or-sellers-can-the-pirates-be-both.html#comment-7783 Thu, 07 Jul 2011 19:02:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=13206#comment-7783 Your logic, tho sound, would mean that my boyhood hero, Roberto Clemente, would have stayed appx. a .280 hitter, with 11 hRs per year and 65 RBIs (aapx).  NO!  His talent and therefore potential far surpassed his learning years.

Logic only pertains to deductive reasoning (static measurements).  HOWEVER, sports, as in most of life, are DYNAMIC.  Clemente was NOT the player in 1961 that he was in 1959.  But Tim, the stats and logic you use propose that his future would be dictated by his early years.  NO! 

Maholm is far surpassing his previous years because  of the multiplicity of factors that I’ve mentioned in my previous threads (management, defense and pitching).  Over the past four years, the Rays, Rockies, Phillies and Giants (and Tigers, Indians, D-bakcs and Pirates this year) have all surpassed their expected norms because of the multiplicity of factors.

Your poodle dribble stats geek material makes for fun reading, but in no way pertains to the play on the field.

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