Comments on: Prospect Primer for Trade Partners – Starting Pitchers http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/07/prospect-primer-for-trade-partners-starting-pitchers.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Mon, 15 Sep 2014 12:28:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/07/prospect-primer-for-trade-partners-starting-pitchers.html#comment-8069 Sat, 16 Jul 2011 15:11:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=13334#comment-8069 I don’t care who they trade as long its for the right piece.

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By: Lee Young http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/07/prospect-primer-for-trade-partners-starting-pitchers.html#comment-8028 Fri, 15 Jul 2011 14:02:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=13334#comment-8028 Kevin…..nice writeup……this proves why you draft LOTS of pitchers…some succeed, some over achieve, some under achieve, etc.

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By: eric http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/07/prospect-primer-for-trade-partners-starting-pitchers.html#comment-8007 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 22:42:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=13334#comment-8007 Thanks. I hope you’re right. The reports on him haven’t been very good recently.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/07/prospect-primer-for-trade-partners-starting-pitchers.html#comment-8005 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 22:15:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=13334#comment-8005 Yes, regarding the fatigue.  He pitched 48 innings in 2010 and is at 85 this year.  I have to think he’s in a dead arm period right now and may top out at 100-110 innings for the year.

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By: Bob http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/07/prospect-primer-for-trade-partners-starting-pitchers.html#comment-8003 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 20:26:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=13334#comment-8003 Hope they don’t trade McPherson or Cumpton.  

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By: eric http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/07/prospect-primer-for-trade-partners-starting-pitchers.html#comment-8001 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:20:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=13334#comment-8001 The last two game reports on Cain on this site (from 6/11 and 6/28) have him sitting in the upper 80s rather than low 90s. Are you operating under the assumption that he’s just been fatigued lately?

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/07/prospect-primer-for-trade-partners-starting-pitchers.html#comment-7999 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:48:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=13334#comment-7999 Here’s something interesting and depressing at the same time.  In the history of the Pirates franchise, there have only been 3 pitchers with K/9 above 7.00 — with enough qualifying innings.

The Pirates have just not been a great franchise for elite pitchers.  Maybe 1-2 seasons of greatness and that’s it.  Even Drabek’s 1990 CY year he had a mid 6 K/9.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/07/prospect-primer-for-trade-partners-starting-pitchers.html#comment-7998 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:10:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=13334#comment-7998 I guess i’m just a typical fan who expects to much, it’s just that every time i read about a pitcher in the org. he’s throwing 88 – 89 has a low K avg. and doesn’t grade out more then a back of the rotation or reliever at best and has a 7.89 era
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I got all hyped up about guys like ZVR before and after they signed and i expected Taillion type pitchers.

I am not being sarcastic as i said i’m just a fan and maybe i expect too much and lack the patience  to really speak on the subject. I hope i am wrong. Time will tell.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/07/prospect-primer-for-trade-partners-starting-pitchers.html#comment-7996 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 17:34:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=13334#comment-7996 The “Altoona Four” of 2010 have been disappointing as a group this year, no doubt.  But keep in mind that NH’s first draft was the 2008 draft class in which the only “name” pitcher was Justin Wilson.  He’s at AAA waiting his turn.

The 2008 draft was a hitters draft with Alvarez and d’Arnaud already in the majors.  Hague and Mercer are knocking on the door.

2009 was the year of the HS pitcher with Cain, ZVR, Dodson, Stevenson, Pounders, and Fuesser (JC pitcher).  Those guys are still in Low A learning.

Taillon is performing quite well so far from the 2010 draft.

Overall, my opinion is that NH and Greg Smith, in particular, have done a fine job with the drafts.  If you get 1 starter and 1-2 bench/bullpen guys from each draft, that is considered a success.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/07/prospect-primer-for-trade-partners-starting-pitchers.html#comment-7995 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:05:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=13334#comment-7995 I haven’t really followed the drafts untill the new FO took over and i don’t read much about other teams so i don’t  know if i’m speaking out of turn but after  4 drafts and not counting the last one untill those guys get some serious playing time in i have to say i am really disapointed in the collection of pitchers they have signed.

I have said before that i think their evaluation system is lacking and as time goes on and these players keep failing i think  i maybe right.

There isn’t anybody who is making a strong push to be a future MLB pitcher above A ball.

Somebody needs to start evaluating the evaluators.

 

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