Comments on: After the Draft: Pittsburgh Pirates Top 10 Prospects http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/08/after-the-draft-pittsburgh-pirates-top-10-prospects.html Wed, 19 Jun 2013 23:06:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: jonathan http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/08/after-the-draft-pittsburgh-pirates-top-10-prospects.html#comment-8895 jonathan Thu, 18 Aug 2011 00:05:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=18323#comment-8895 in defense of the list in general… where tools and abilities are concerned once you show them you never “forget” them which is what you would have to do to drop sanchez after a bad year ( i was never that high on him to begin with but that’s not my point ) … on the flip side you grade a player low that hasn’t shown a tool or ability but once that player shows that tool or ability he will pass all players that don’t show it, therefore will rocket up prospect lists, that’s what grossman is doing, he is showing abilities that he has never shown before and passing guys on the lists… its easier to progress up a list of this nature than to fall down it, once you can throw 99 you’re not going to be rated below a soft tosser, once you can hit for power you’re not going to be rated below a singles hitter, once you can convert raw speed into base stealing you’re not going to be rated below someone without base stealing abilities etc.

]]> By: jonathan http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/08/after-the-draft-pittsburgh-pirates-top-10-prospects.html#comment-8896 jonathan Thu, 18 Aug 2011 00:05:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=18323#comment-8896 in defense of the list in general… where tools and abilities are concerned once you show them you never “forget” them which is what you would have to do to drop sanchez after a bad year ( i was never that high on him to begin with but that’s not my point ) … on the flip side you grade a player low that hasn’t shown a tool or ability but once that player shows that tool or ability he will pass all players that don’t show it, therefore will rocket up prospect lists, that’s what grossman is doing, he is showing abilities that he has never shown before and passing guys on the lists… its easier to progress up a list of this nature than to fall down it, once you can throw 99 you’re not going to be rated below a soft tosser, once you can hit for power you’re not going to be rated below a singles hitter, once you can convert raw speed into base stealing you’re not going to be rated below someone without base stealing abilities etc.

]]> By: MarcH http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/08/after-the-draft-pittsburgh-pirates-top-10-prospects.html#comment-8872 MarcH Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:22:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=18323#comment-8872 Allie was a HS player and Heredia was 16 when signed, so to compare them to a college player that has been a pro for three years is not fair.

I’m also not saying Sanchez won’t be a good mlb player, I’m simply saying the logic involved in Grossman climbing should also be applied to a player who had a bad year, Sanchez.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/08/after-the-draft-pittsburgh-pirates-top-10-prospects.html#comment-8865 Anonymous Wed, 17 Aug 2011 04:30:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=18323#comment-8865 Well, if he was ready he would be in Pittsburgh. He’s not, so he’s in Altoona. That is why they call them prospects, sometimes they struggle for a bit. Are Heredia and Allie off your list too? Heck, Taillon’s ERA is in the 4s! Prospects are about tools and projection even moreso than production. That is why Matt Hague isn’t anywhere close to these lists.

In 2007 player x hit .258/.327/.383 (.710 OPS) in 500 AA plate appearances. Sanchez is at .655 currently. Player x = Andrew Mccutchen. And yes he was only 20 but the point remains.

]]> By: MarcH http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/08/after-the-draft-pittsburgh-pirates-top-10-prospects.html#comment-8863 MarcH Wed, 17 Aug 2011 02:21:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=18323#comment-8863 I see that, but if you’re going to be a starter, and at the 4th overall pick you should be, then you need to do better than he is in AA.  No power, no contact, errors, etc. are not what I would consider a top 10 prospect.

]]> By: F Lang http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/08/after-the-draft-pittsburgh-pirates-top-10-prospects.html#comment-8856 F Lang Tue, 16 Aug 2011 22:40:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=18323#comment-8856 I thought I’d see a Matt Curry around 10th on one of those lists.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/08/after-the-draft-pittsburgh-pirates-top-10-prospects.html#comment-8852 Anonymous Tue, 16 Aug 2011 22:23:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=18323#comment-8852 You don’t need to hit much to be a good catcher. Most of Tony’s value was defensive to start with. Imagine if Mckenry suddenly added 100 points of OPS, that’s around what Sanchez projects to.

]]> By: MarcH http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/08/after-the-draft-pittsburgh-pirates-top-10-prospects.html#comment-8847 MarcH Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:00:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=18323#comment-8847 I don’t understand how Robbie Grossman can fly up people’s prospect rankings after one good year, but Tony Sanchez barely moves after a disastrous year.  To me they aren’t separate. 

We’re basing this off of one year’s progress, so if Grossman is a top 5 prospect (which I actually agree with) due to his year, how is Sanchez still a top 10 prospect?

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/08/after-the-draft-pittsburgh-pirates-top-10-prospects.html#comment-8836 Anonymous Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:13:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=18323#comment-8836 Before the season most publications had the Pirates system ranked between 15-20th in baseball. Based on the draft, they have moved up but when you consider the numbers their top guys are putting up in the minors its still hard to put them in the top 10.

]]> By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/08/after-the-draft-pittsburgh-pirates-top-10-prospects.html#comment-8835 Tim Williams Tue, 16 Aug 2011 16:51:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=18323#comment-8835 Heh. It was Josh Bell. John sent that to me separately, and I forgot to copy it over.

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