Comments on: Projecting the 2012 Pirates Rotation http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/08/projecting-the-2012-pirates-rotation.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Sat, 15 Nov 2014 03:14:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.0 By: Nate http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/08/projecting-the-2012-pirates-rotation.html#comment-9096 Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:27:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=19061#comment-9096 Maholm, Correia, Karstens, McDonald, and Morton have all made 24 or more starts.  The wheels fell off in August, but before then we were going with basically those five pitchers.  

If a guy makes 1-2 starts (Ollie), then gets injured for rest of year and the other four pitchers, plus the fill-in (Karstens), don’t get injured – that’s an injury-free rotation.  Lincoln and Olsen weren’t really contenders for the #5 spot.  

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By: Jacob J http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/08/projecting-the-2012-pirates-rotation.html#comment-9090 Mon, 29 Aug 2011 14:52:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=19061#comment-9090 McDonald is still too much of a question mark to me. People say he doesn’t make it deep into games because of his strikeouts, but thats really babying him. God, whatever ever happened to the days of Nolan Ryan, Steve Carlton and even John Candelaria? Guys regularly going deep into the late innings with 8 or 9 strikeouts and even 3 or 4 walks as well.  They got deep into games because they regularly gave up so few hits. But in those days 130 pitches in a game was typical. Now half of that is thought to be high! And guys were no more injured then than they are now, even less so.

But I expect that Karstens will be fine (I have always felt him to be a solid starter who was never given a regular chance), and Lincoln I like too. Those are the two to me who would seem to be safe bets. Morton will gain consistency over time, thats what he really needs, time. So those three I think are the starting point. Correia is streaky like Ohlendorff. Both are shaky options unless they are on a good streak. If a bad one, they can’t be depended on. I’d rather they stick them both in middle relief and be treated as they did Karstens for so long (undeservedly in my opinion).

Wth Maholm possibly being let go, I assume they will take a look at the free agent market (not much of a look as usual, but a look none the less. Do they still have any plans with Garrett Olson?
Whatever happened to that other Olson guy they signed? He got hurt and fell off the face of the earth.
How about Nellie Olson, out on the prairie?

I’m sure lots of variables will happen between now and next April anyway, so no use getting carried away now.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/08/projecting-the-2012-pirates-rotation.html#comment-9085 Mon, 29 Aug 2011 03:12:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=19061#comment-9085 I wouldn’t exactly say the first 60% was injury free. McDonald was questionable whether he would start the year because of injuries. Lincoln missed out on any chance to make the rotation because of injury. Olsen, who many considered the favorite to be the 5th starter, missed the entire season. Ohlendorf the #3 man in the rotation missed basically the first 60%.

Right there are two starting pitchers who basically missed the first four months and two others who struggled with injuries.

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By: Nate http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/08/projecting-the-2012-pirates-rotation.html#comment-9084 Mon, 29 Aug 2011 01:26:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=19061#comment-9084 Maholm’s option won’t be picked up, Ollie to the ‘pen, Lincoln to the rotation.  Plus, there’s no way 2012 will be without any injuries for the first basically 60% of the year (like 2011).  

Karsten’s success might not be repeatable, in fact it probably won’t be.  It’ll likely be an entirely different story next year.  Wouldn’t be surprised to see Owens and Locke in there, as well as Justin Wilson getting a handful of spot starts next year.

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By: bourbon http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/08/projecting-the-2012-pirates-rotation.html#comment-9083 Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:48:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=19061#comment-9083 They’ll most likely need some extra starters next year, especially with this year’s innings increase for Karstens, McDonald, and Morton. Unfortunately, it’s even more unlikely that all 3 will pitch the entire season.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/08/projecting-the-2012-pirates-rotation.html#comment-9082 Sun, 28 Aug 2011 19:50:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=19061#comment-9082 Lincoln, Morton and McDonald will be locks for the starting rotation IMO.
The club will have to figure out whether Karstens is for real or just had a great first half. Correia has pretty much shown he is a first half pitcher, whether they want to put Correia in the starting rotation and hope he gets off to a good start and then move him when his price is up is something they could consider, otherwise I see them needing at least one starter next year and that is with Lincoln making the rotation. I think if they can get Olendorf cheap, they might keep working with him and hoping he gets it together, they would hate to see him get it together with some other team.
I do agree that the Pirates pretty much know who is going to be on the roster before ST even starts, injuries, cuts and trades obviously could change things.

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By: Ian Rothermund http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/08/projecting-the-2012-pirates-rotation.html#comment-9081 Sun, 28 Aug 2011 19:20:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=19061#comment-9081 I hope you’re right.  I think he deserves a serious opportunity, he looks a lot better than last year.  Let’s see what happens

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/08/projecting-the-2012-pirates-rotation.html#comment-9080 Sun, 28 Aug 2011 18:02:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=19061#comment-9080 Unless Lincoln tanks next month, I’d say he’s a good bet for a spot in the 2012 rotation. He’s pitched well as a starter and he’s pitching well at the end of the season, when he would be tiring from the season-long grind.

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