Comments on: Lobbying For the Wrong Move to Be Made http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/10/lobbying-for-the-wrong-move-to-be-made.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Sat, 22 Nov 2014 17:47:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.0.1 By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/10/lobbying-for-the-wrong-move-to-be-made.html#comment-9839 Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:29:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=20899#comment-9839 How many times have the Pirates taken a shot at a free agent?  A few.  Last year, we had to big ones, in Pirates teams.  One was an abject failure, Overbay.  The other waited a while to fail abjectly, Correia.

The answer is, do not look for free agent major leaguers. The Pirates lack of success with them is the first reason.  The second reason is that the Pirates have had more success in trading for younger pitchers like McDonald, Morton and Karstens.  The third reason is that the Pirates will over pay to get them to come to Pittsburgh.  The fourth reason is that the team will over pay to avoid a last place finish.  A pitcher like Capuano or even Carmona isn’t going to improve this team enough to make it a contender.  So, we would be signing a player to avoid last place.  That’s inefficient spending.

Finally, signing any of these kin of guys fails to take advantage of what the Pirates have internally.  Again, this is a fifth/sixth place team with a free agent pitcher, so why not see what Lincoln, Locke or Owens can do.

If the Pirates are looking for pitching, the first need to establish an age limit.  They should not be looking for anyone 30 or older.  This kind of pitcher is going to want a multi-year deal or be well over paid for one year.  Regardless, he will be paid to do nothing more than help the team achieve mediocrity.  Look at the Rays for the model.  

This means Capuano is out.  While Carmona is young and may be a solution, I wouldn’t touch him either.  If he’s non-tendered, he’s a one year stop gap. If he pitches well, he’s gone to FA. If he pitches poorly, we don’t want him.  

If the Pirates must get a pitcher, look at teams that have pitching that is blocked.  There isn’t much there, but there is something and its better than over spending for mediocrity.

PS…I’m in the camp that the Pirates should let Doumit, Snyder and Maholm go.  None are worth what they would make.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/10/lobbying-for-the-wrong-move-to-be-made.html#comment-9837 Thu, 27 Oct 2011 04:26:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=20899#comment-9837 just another quick possibly drunkin thought
A GM for the Bucs can’t assume every year is a playoff year. So when sigining any player whether by FA or retaining an option midseason trade trade value should be considerd. Taking on Doumits   option(S) or maholms reduces their value to the team, unless they never get hurt and play at the highest level they have.
30 year olds dont get better they get older

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By: chad http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/10/lobbying-for-the-wrong-move-to-be-made.html#comment-9836 Thu, 27 Oct 2011 02:50:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=20899#comment-9836 i’d like to see capuano here instead of maholm.  i think that’s a slight win.  more HR allowed, but more Ks.  and cheaper.  i’m mixed on doumit vs. barajas.  a two year deal for a 36 y/o catcher who himself rarely plays more than 100 games a season.  you can’t plan on increasing his load.  so i’d rather get 90 from doumit than maybe 110 from barajas.  i think that doumit, more or less in his prime, should offset his terrible defense with solid offense when compared to barajas, at his age.   if you can’t work out a one year deal with doumit, fine.  i’m not jumping at 15 for two.  but i’d hate to see more than a one year deal with barajas.

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By: Ron Leighton http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/10/lobbying-for-the-wrong-move-to-be-made.html#comment-9834 Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:20:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=20899#comment-9834 isn’t Fausto’s the definition  of high priced uner achiever (only with Indians).

I guess that is my main worry that that Maholm and Doumit will be gone, be replaced by players similar or even poorer and that those will be only significant changes made in team.  I can see replacing Maholm and Doumit but there will need to be other additions too.  I could see going for Wilson Betemit as fall back at third and first but would still have him as more of bench player rather than a big upgrade (what was expected out of Diaz in 2011).

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/10/lobbying-for-the-wrong-move-to-be-made.html#comment-9833 Wed, 26 Oct 2011 05:51:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=20899#comment-9833 Not really. It’s still just entire speculation. The critics of the moves think we can’t do better, the proponents think we can. Questioning, sure, criticizing, premature.

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By: Nate http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/10/lobbying-for-the-wrong-move-to-be-made.html#comment-9832 Wed, 26 Oct 2011 04:18:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=20899#comment-9832 That “homegrown talent”, in the form of Maholm and Doumit, has had years to pay off.  It hasn’t. Maholm’s been in a three year decline, with a slight increase this year.  Doumit… who doesn’t love the potential for his bat, but he can’t stay healthy and is troubling inconsistent when he is.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/10/lobbying-for-the-wrong-move-to-be-made.html#comment-9829 Wed, 26 Oct 2011 02:10:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=20899#comment-9829 It ain’t exactly Halliday and Posey walking out the door.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/10/lobbying-for-the-wrong-move-to-be-made.html#comment-9828 Wed, 26 Oct 2011 01:17:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=20899#comment-9828 Im with tim, take your shot at FA instead of keeping high priced mediocre, recently injured, homegrown underachievers.  I think a move to the NL could be beneficial for Fausto as well, Im sure Neal has some connection with him coming up through Indians system. With Mortons injury the only solid rotation candidate is J MAc. Karstens can become a Josh fogg like HR machine Correia is Correia and Lincoln is far from settled in. So 2 FA SP shouldnt be out of the question. Winter meetings should be a good time.

I also wonder if the Bucs can get some handshake deals done with Doumit and Snyder regarding arbitration. If they could sign a Barajas/Capuano and get 2 1st rd picks and either get Lee or a pick that would be a great offseason for Neal

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By: judy http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/10/lobbying-for-the-wrong-move-to-be-made.html#comment-9826 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 23:53:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=20899#comment-9826 Well, the Pirates have done something.  They declined the player options for Maholm and Doumit.  They have been criticized for doing so.  The timing(not the merits) of the criticism makes sense considering they no longer have the option oof retaining Maholm and Doumit at those fixed costs.  We will see if this is a smart or foolish move, however it is the appropriate time to question the wiseness of the decision.

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By: white angus http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/10/lobbying-for-the-wrong-move-to-be-made.html#comment-9825 Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:31:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=20899#comment-9825 capuano, if healthy, is definately an upgrade.  he proved that this season with some of his best numbers of his career.  hes around the same age as Maholm too. 
 
maholm pitched some of his best baseball this past season.  it was refreshing to see him actually “pitching” for a change.
 
a guy on another blog asked this question:  “if maholm were with the Twins and became a free agent, would you want NH signing him to a 8 figure/1 year deal?”
 
ummmmm, no.

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