Comments on: Pittsburgh Pirates 2011 Position Recap: Third Base http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/10/pittsburgh-pirates-2011-position-recap-third-base.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Thu, 31 Jul 2014 04:17:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.1 By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/10/pittsburgh-pirates-2011-position-recap-third-base.html#comment-9761 Thu, 20 Oct 2011 13:29:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=20673#comment-9761 That may not be true, that the Pirates don’t have to spend a certain amount to win.  It may be about how much a team spends compared to what other teams are spending.

Over the last five years, their appears to be a relationship between spending and winning. Tthe teams that spend the most, the top third spenders (meaning the top ten), win more than they lose at more than twice the rate as a the bottom ten spenders.  Twice as many of the top ten spenders have appeared in the post season than the bottom ten spenders.

If the Cardinal win this year, that will make 5 years in a row where the winner of the World Series, will have been won by a team in the top ten in higher payroll.  

The Rays are doing well but they are the exception to the rule.  They are also being very smart in what they do.  To be honest, I haven’t seen that level of intelligence from the Pirates yet.  If one wants to defend low payroll by using the Rays, one has to know how well they’ve done things and also know that one is arguing by exception.

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By: ed_cummings http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/10/pittsburgh-pirates-2011-position-recap-third-base.html#comment-9749 Tue, 18 Oct 2011 21:30:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=20673#comment-9749 According to ESPN the Pirates had a payroll of 45.6M this year which was 27th in MLB (out of 30).  The teams that finished 25th (Arizona) and 29th (Tampa Bay) made the playoffs this year. 5 of the 8 playoff teams had payrolls under $100 million this season, including both teams in the World Series (although St Louis was close).   

The Pirates don’t need $100 million to compete, they need good drafts, good trades, and good talent development.  

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/10/pittsburgh-pirates-2011-position-recap-third-base.html#comment-9739 Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:08:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=20673#comment-9739 He actually did hold the organization hostage with Alvarez.  Then again, he does it with every team though.  He was the one who started the process of having no one sign (speaking only of drafted players) until the last minute. 

Boras will always do one thing, follow the money.  I think Neal has figured that out.  I think that’s why he went after Bell.  With the possibility of a hard slot and having to wait three years if Bell didn’t sign, Neal likely knew that Boras would follow the money and get Bell signed.

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/10/pittsburgh-pirates-2011-position-recap-third-base.html#comment-9736 Tue, 18 Oct 2011 03:04:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=20673#comment-9736 If there’s one thing that’s over-exaggerated in Pittsburgh, it’s the perception that with the smallest inconvenience, Scott Boras will hold the franchise hostage and never let any of his clients sign with the Pirates ever again.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/10/pittsburgh-pirates-2011-position-recap-third-base.html#comment-9735 Tue, 18 Oct 2011 02:34:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=20673#comment-9735 I agree with that.  I suppose awarding an additional option has become automatic.  Still, it will get ugly if the Pirates go that route with Alvarez.

Even more reason to lock up McCutchen.

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/10/pittsburgh-pirates-2011-position-recap-third-base.html#comment-9731 Mon, 17 Oct 2011 23:41:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=20673#comment-9731 The Pirates get an extra option year because Alvarez has less than five years of pro experience. It wouldn’t matter whether they took this option or not. No Scott Boras client is going to stick around in Pittsburgh beyond the normal six years of service time.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/10/pittsburgh-pirates-2011-position-recap-third-base.html#comment-9729 Mon, 17 Oct 2011 23:32:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=20673#comment-9729 I wouldn’t bet the house on it but he was optioned on August 16th and recalled on September 6th in 2011.  That is longer than the 20 days necessary to burn an option.  Unless baseball counts differently than I do.

After the messiness associated with his signing, he ended up signing a major league contract in 2008.  He was optioned in 2009 and again in 2010.  

Because he has less the 5 professional season, the Pirates can request an additional option year.  If they do that, don’t expect much in the way of Scott Boras clients hanging around Pittsburgh long.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/10/pittsburgh-pirates-2011-position-recap-third-base.html#comment-9725 Mon, 17 Oct 2011 21:36:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=20673#comment-9725 No, I believe he has one more option.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/10/pittsburgh-pirates-2011-position-recap-third-base.html#comment-9717 Mon, 17 Oct 2011 19:45:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=20673#comment-9717 Won’t the Pirates need an exemption or request for an additional option to send Alvarez down next year?

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/10/pittsburgh-pirates-2011-position-recap-third-base.html#comment-9716 Mon, 17 Oct 2011 19:41:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=20673#comment-9716 Agreed.  The idea of veteran presence is another one of those baseball ideas that needs to go away.  Wasting a spot on the 25-man roster for veteran presence is a terrible misuse (if not abuse) of resources.  Its even worse than situational relievers.

Isn’t motivating personnel a responsibility of leadership?  Why bring in a veteran player when we have a manager, bench coach, hitting coach, and infield coach, who should be motivating Alvarez to be better?

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