Comments on: Gio Gonzalez Would Cost Too Much http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/gio-gonzalez-would-cost-too-much.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Sun, 27 Jul 2014 19:17:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.1 By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/gio-gonzalez-would-cost-too-much.html#comment-10134 Tue, 08 Nov 2011 16:54:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21302#comment-10134 If you read the article, you’d see I was referring to the cost in prospects. The money is totally affordable.

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By: Bob http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/gio-gonzalez-would-cost-too-much.html#comment-10129 Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:56:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21302#comment-10129 Funny you say we can’t afford him when our FO just cut like 20M off the books for next year, freaking pathetic.  This organization should just fold and call it a day.  Embarrassing.  

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By: Bob http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/gio-gonzalez-would-cost-too-much.html#comment-10128 Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:55:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21302#comment-10128 Perfect, love it.  

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By: Mike http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/gio-gonzalez-would-cost-too-much.html#comment-10120 Tue, 08 Nov 2011 03:18:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21302#comment-10120 No, not with billy beane running the ship. He would like Grossman obp for sure. Allie right is now is too much of a reach which means it would cost another prospect to get cahill.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/gio-gonzalez-would-cost-too-much.html#comment-10115 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 23:38:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21302#comment-10115 wow

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By: Vince Riedy http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/gio-gonzalez-would-cost-too-much.html#comment-10108 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 21:57:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21302#comment-10108 Do you believe Cahill could be had for Allie & Grossman? If so, I’d do that in heartbeat.

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/gio-gonzalez-would-cost-too-much.html#comment-10095 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 19:52:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21302#comment-10095 Cahill is a bit difficult to project. He’s got a contract that runs through 2015, with two club options for 2016 and 2017. Right now he’s a 2.2-2.5 WAR pitcher. If he’s a 2.5 WAR pitcher through the life of the contract, then he’s overpaid in 2015 ($12 M), and his options aren’t worth the production. If he improves in the range of one win per year, he becomes the same value as Gonzalez.

The thing about Cahill is that he’s younger than Gonzalez. He’ll be 24 in 2012. Gonzalez will be 26 on Opening Day, and will be 27 by the end of the season. Cahill has a better shot of improving on his current production than Gonzalez, but how much? Right now he’s a 4.23 xFIP pitcher, although he’s gone down in each of the last two years, to a 3.90 xFIP in 2011. A lot of questions impact his value: what kind of jump can he make in the next few years? How soon will that increase in production come? Is his trend of increasing strikeouts going to continue? Will he continue to walk 3.5 batters per nine innings? Right now his value is more of a good third starter, although he’s got a chance to improve. Question is: what will Oakland sell for? Will they sell him as a third starter, or as a guy who is young and has the potential to improve? It’s a difficult situation to project.

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/gio-gonzalez-would-cost-too-much.html#comment-10093 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 19:42:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21302#comment-10093 I don’t think it’s an either/or situation. It’s not “trade for Gonzalez” or “give up on 2012″. I think they can upgrade for the 2012 season without a trade, and I’d rather see them make a trade when they’re closer to contending.

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By: Jeremiah Ewing http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/gio-gonzalez-would-cost-too-much.html#comment-10091 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 19:21:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21302#comment-10091 Same arguement for Cahill as well?

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/gio-gonzalez-would-cost-too-much.html#comment-10090 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 19:15:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21302#comment-10090 They do not have to give up on 2012, if giving up on 2012 is the thought process here then why trade or get a FA. Just use the system, Hague at 1st, D’Arnaud at SS, the Fort Catching, Locke for Maholm, what the heck losing is losing, why give up top prospects or a 25 man roster player?

I don’t subscribe to these philosophies, trying to win and getting the best players they can is the right way to go IMO and if that means parting with anyone in the system, then part with them, most of the teams that have used the money ball philosophy traded a top prospect or two along the way, and the reply to that is those teams were close, well the Bucs were close to, 1st place in July is close.Two solid aces in the starting rotation would make this team very competitive in a hurry, that is how close they are. Every team has holes, no one can afford a star at every position, the Pirates competed last year because they had terrific defense up the middle and good pitching, injuries and fatigue, without depth hurt considerably.

Lot of talk about Cole, Taillon, Heredia, Grossman, here, but not much about maybe the best get the Bucs have drafted in Bell, this kid might be the best draft pick they have had in years.

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