Comments on: Pirates Close to Two Year Deal For Barmes http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/pirates-leaders-for-barmes.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Tue, 16 Sep 2014 16:50:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Mike Adamson http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/pirates-leaders-for-barmes.html#comment-10576 Mon, 21 Nov 2011 01:19:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21721#comment-10576 I’ve defended this plan management team for years now and I’m just done doing it. This team with this ownership is a loser. I Love the Pirates but it’s exhausting to lose all hope in the offseason and I have.

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By: LonghornBuc http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/pirates-leaders-for-barmes.html#comment-10574 Sun, 20 Nov 2011 22:02:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21721#comment-10574 Another dumpster dive by our GM.  A two year mistake makes this far worse.  So much for dArnaud and Mercer, they are now buried by our highest paid player. 

And what a player he is.  He has been a SS one year of the last five.  His defense last year is rated by Baseball Reference as nearly identical to Cedenos.  His offense is far worse when you realize he has played in two great hitters parks, and is about to move into a bad one for righties.  Home/away OPS splits of 772/637 and OPS+ of 119/81.  Fortunately, instead of being 29 next year like Cedeno, he is going to be 33.

This team is going to be awful next year.  There is no way the starting staff has collective career years again.  We have virtually no help in the farm system on the horizon,  Our GMs response is to replace average players with older, less talented ones.  Nice.

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By: Nate Wilder http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/pirates-leaders-for-barmes.html#comment-10571 Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:12:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21721#comment-10571 Things that people didn’t see probably played into this.

From what I understand Cedeno was arrogant and reluctant to listen to coaching. I will give you that Cedeno was a leader, and you could see that by how often he’d go speak to struggling pitchers, but he wasn’t Hurdle’s guy. He’s gone, keep crying about it or get over it. The guy put up one solid year and people act like we just let Tulo walk. I can name you dozens of former Pirates who had really good years followed by atrocious ones.

I’m for it. It’s a bit expensive and I’d rather see an option over a guaranteed year in 2013, but hell we got a decent player to want to play here. Good enough for me. Plus, the contract isn’t even finalized yet so we really don’t know anything at all yet.

The fact is we’re worlds away from a time where Ramon Vasquez was manning short and Delwyn young was at second. Hell, Brian Bixler was considered one of our top prospects not all that long ago.

Neal’s made the product better. Did he flip the world on it’s head? No. Have we broke the curse yet? No. Is our minor league system worlds better than it was? Yes. Do we have a product on the field that’s becoming enjoyable to watch? I’d say so.

I’m on board. Pour me a glass of the Kool-Aid, Neal.

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By: James Vargo http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/pirates-leaders-for-barmes.html#comment-10570 Sun, 20 Nov 2011 18:08:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21721#comment-10570 I don’t get the, “not an upgrade” talk. Are you really going to miss Cedeno’s two home runs and mindless gaffs?

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By: Mike Adamson http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/pirates-leaders-for-barmes.html#comment-10567 Sun, 20 Nov 2011 16:00:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21721#comment-10567 Is Barmes better than Cedeno? I’m not so sure. Is Barajas better than Snyder and Doumit? I really dont think so. We need a real upgrade at 1B.  Lee and/or Pena will give some power but with the guys we added already we might hit .220 as a team. Again not going to happen but spend on a huge bat and tickets would sell because this ownership has something to prove. Plus if we’re building around Cutch and Walker nows the time to start adding.

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By: Matt Beam http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/pirates-leaders-for-barmes.html#comment-10566 Sun, 20 Nov 2011 15:52:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21721#comment-10566 @SI_JonHeymanJon Heyman barmes will be $10.5M over 2 yrs with the #pirates. just putting the finishing touches on.14 hours ago via web

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/pirates-leaders-for-barmes.html#comment-10565 Sun, 20 Nov 2011 15:40:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21721#comment-10565 Lyle Overbay was the Pirates starting 1B for 2/3 of the season. It will not take Fielder or Pujols to improve upon that. Signing Lee or Pena or trading for a 1B could potentially upgrade this year’s team quite significantly. Again remember it isn’t Lee’s production we are replacing it is Overbays.

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By: Lee Young http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/pirates-leaders-for-barmes.html#comment-10564 Sun, 20 Nov 2011 14:55:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21721#comment-10564 Mike.I’m with you on this….Barmes has never impressed me.

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By: Mike Adamson http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/pirates-leaders-for-barmes.html#comment-10562 Sun, 20 Nov 2011 14:34:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21721#comment-10562 My problem with this signing is that I dont know that we improved. It’s looking like we are wasting McCutchen’s years as a Pirate. Barajas, and Barmes makes this team the same or worse than last year. The only way we could improve on this offseason at this point is by adding Fielder or Pujols at 1B. That’s not happening.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/pirates-leaders-for-barmes.html#comment-10561 Sun, 20 Nov 2011 14:04:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21721#comment-10561 I liked Ronny but lets not go getting too crazy. If the numbers say they are similar then even at the higher rate I’ll take Barmes. I’d bet Barmes has never laid down some inexplicable bunt or just spaced out multiple times during a game. These things do get factored in to these decisions and they are impact full . Think about your own job what guy would you rather work with, similar production, consistency does count for something.

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