Comments on: The Day the Pirates Were Forever Eliminated From Contention http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/the-day-the-pirates-were-forever-eliminated-from-contention.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Fri, 19 Sep 2014 09:56:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/the-day-the-pirates-were-forever-eliminated-from-contention.html#comment-11059 Tue, 06 Dec 2011 17:15:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21798#comment-11059 If you don’t sign a pick, you lose that money. You can’t re-distribute it to other picks.

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By: Abe Shimm http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/the-day-the-pirates-were-forever-eliminated-from-contention.html#comment-11058 Tue, 06 Dec 2011 16:59:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21798#comment-11058 So, I’ve been thinking about this a lot . It seems that it would make sense for teams to target players like Bubba Starling with the understanding that they’ll probably end up in college. Then in the later rounds they could target high school players who would only forgo college for above slot money that other teams are going to be shying away from. If the team can’t sign their first round pick at slot value, you’ll be able to sign many more of these mid to high level prospects from the later rounds. 

The real upshot of this is that you’ll have an additional first round pick the following year as compensation. You can then treat your compensation pick like a traditional first round pick (someone who will sign for slot value) and use that year’s first round pick to seek out another two sport high school athlete who you have no chance of signing and repeat the process again.

It seems like, if done right, a team could add 1-3 million dollars to it’s annual draft pool this way. Thoughts?

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/the-day-the-pirates-were-forever-eliminated-from-contention.html#comment-10863 Mon, 28 Nov 2011 03:51:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21798#comment-10863 The Pirates get the #8 overall pick. They get 2 sandwich picks. May get a bonus pick for being a small market. Their 2nd round pick will be around #60. That makes 5 picks in the top 60 and some are saying they will have $10 million to spend on the upcoming draft. Hopefully they can stock up.  Good scouting will really be neeeded.

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By: Richard Haft http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/the-day-the-pirates-were-forever-eliminated-from-contention.html#comment-10844 Sat, 26 Nov 2011 04:59:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21798#comment-10844 I agree with the minority, I think its a big deal over nothing.  I just do not believe high school kids  will pass up money to play in college.  College baseball is not like College Basketball or Football.  There isn’t alot of glory to be had grinding it out in college.  Outside of some southern schools, college players are the equivalent of AA minor leaguers, they play in obscurity and in front of sparse crowds. Your going to turn down $300000 grand (assuming 3rd or 4th round slot) to waste four years in college when you can be making your way up the minors and to the big leagues instead?  Not to mention being paid a nice big signing bonus.  You can always go back to school and get a degree.  You can only play sports for so long.  I just don’t see it.

 I think it actually helps the Pirates because now players will know they have to sign or else go to school, and I believe almost all will rather sign.  If a player is that good that they are slotted in the second or third round, what will for years in college do? Again, this is not football or basketball, I think most 18 year olds want a shot with a major league team and make money.  They hold out for more than slot now because they can.  If they can’t they will take the maximum offered and be very happy.  I never believed Josh Bell wanted to go to college, it was posturing and the proof is he took the money.  Yes, the Pirates get some kudos for paying over slot for players when they did not have to, but now they really do not have to and the players will sign anyway.  How is this not a win?

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/the-day-the-pirates-were-forever-eliminated-from-contention.html#comment-10833 Fri, 25 Nov 2011 13:12:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21798#comment-10833 Really???? Never contend??? I maybe the last 18 years was just a nightmare.. Lets get real…do you really think they would contend either way???? They drafted high for 18 years by not winning…still profitable so why even try to win????.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/the-day-the-pirates-were-forever-eliminated-from-contention.html#comment-10813 Wed, 23 Nov 2011 21:59:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21798#comment-10813 Well at least you guys are moving on from Sarah Palin.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/the-day-the-pirates-were-forever-eliminated-from-contention.html#comment-10809 Wed, 23 Nov 2011 21:12:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21798#comment-10809 Steve, the Pirates this year paid 5mm for Bell and 5mm for Barmes, next year the Pirates can only sign a Barmes whereas  the Yankees if they wanted to can spend 200 mm on free agents without any penalty, where is the fairness?

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By: James S http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/the-day-the-pirates-were-forever-eliminated-from-contention.html#comment-10805 Wed, 23 Nov 2011 19:51:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21798#comment-10805 Joel Davis –
Yeah, I agree, and I think having Frank Coonelly as president had a lot to do with the Pirates taking such great advantage of that, seeing as how he knew the inner workings of the slot system already (previously being in charge of it) and knew where it was headed. If the Pirates hadn’t hired Coonelly, they never would have made the bold moves they did in the past several drafts. Gotta give credit to Nutting on that on that one, I guess.

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By: Bob http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/the-day-the-pirates-were-forever-eliminated-from-contention.html#comment-10783 Wed, 23 Nov 2011 13:32:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21798#comment-10783 Yes but as we are finding out it takes about 5-7 years for those prep players to reach their potential.  

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By: Bob http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/the-day-the-pirates-were-forever-eliminated-from-contention.html#comment-10782 Wed, 23 Nov 2011 13:30:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21798#comment-10782 So what tax do the Yankees pay that the other teams get?

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