Comments on: The Ideal Off-Season http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/the-ideal-off-season.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Fri, 25 Jul 2014 09:29:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.1 By: Ian Rothermund http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/the-ideal-off-season.html#comment-10148 Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:50:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21324#comment-10148 I don’t think, in the long run, that Ronnie was all that poor of an offensive producer this past season.  Obviously, not great, but considering the defensive production, and relative reliability unmatched so far in his career, I think his batting average and OPS were completely acceptable, relatively.  What made him seem more disappointing was that the rest of the offense was so mediocre that we couldn’t just hide him in the lineup, we actually needed to expect something from him.  On any other team, he’d be hitting in the 7 or 8 hole and any hit he had would be considered a bonus as long as he kept playing defense. 

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/the-ideal-off-season.html#comment-10147 Wed, 09 Nov 2011 06:29:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21324#comment-10147 Barmes will be 33 at the beginning of next season.  Hernandez will turn 36 during the season , and Lee will be 37. 
Barmes had a career season last year (WAR 1.0 above previous high)
Hernandez will cost the Pirates a 2nd round pick
Lee was terrible last year until his audition in September

Adding a veteran for leadership makes sense, but the team shouldn’t give up a draft pick or rely on past their prime veterans to try and improve.  For this to be a good off-season I think the Pirates need to trade for at least one good young player.  For this to be an ideal offseason they need to acquire two or more young talented players.  The team has an all-star closer, depth at outfield and pitcher, and a significant amount of available payroll.  If the Pirates are willing to take back a bad contract and/or move Hanrahan and prospects they could do better than B,H&L. 

I would rather see Meek closing if it means that Yonder Alonso or Logan Morrison are in the lineup.  I’m ok with the team paying Bronson Arroyo, Ricky Nolasco, or Chone Figgins way too much for a season or two in order to get a young player (Devin Mesoraco, Zack Cosart, Justin Smoak) that will still be contributing when Cole and Taillon join the rotation. These are the kinds of moves that would take place in my ideal off season, not picking through a list of aging second tier veterans.   

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/the-ideal-off-season.html#comment-10146 Tue, 08 Nov 2011 23:31:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21324#comment-10146 I think they will make some sort of trade for SP, C, or SS. @facebook-1509972823:disqus 
outside of Pujols, Reyes, Fielder, Rollins, and maybe CJ Wilson(who I think will be way ovevalued and overpaid) the rest of the FAs are mediocre. If they can save some $ to put towards extensions or international players and get even a slight upgrade I think thats a huge win. I still think they will make a play for Edwin Jackson and kick the tires on Buerhle(big $ teams seem to be very interested though), Bedard, Harden, and most other guys slightly below that level.

Every year there’s 2 or 3 guys worth the big $ then 2 or 3 that arent but will get it because theres rarely much out there(see  Werth). The rest are all mediocre. Theyre either older guys with a few good years left(Lee and the like) or overpriced guys with a major flaw(Pena-Ks,avg). If they were that good teams would do what they could to get extensions done before they hit FA.

The Pirates could probably affrord Pujols or Fielder and for the first 3 years $25-$28mill it would cost would probably be worth it. Problem is they don’t want a 3 yr 90mill deal they want a 6-8 yr deal averaging 23-27mill per. Having a virtually untradeable unaffordable contract in years 4 and beyond is something the Pirates could never afford to do. Even the Yankees will be hurting from A Rods terrible contract or the bad deals the Cubs strapped themselves with year after year,(see Soriano,Zambrano,etc.).

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By: Mike http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/the-ideal-off-season.html#comment-10145 Tue, 08 Nov 2011 21:07:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21324#comment-10145 3 roster spots i put together with 9 mil left is there for extra bodies the pirates will need if you spend 4 mil on barmes then i would still look around for some aaa fillers for depth with the remainder of the 5 mil

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By: Mike http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/the-ideal-off-season.html#comment-10144 Tue, 08 Nov 2011 21:02:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21324#comment-10144 28 mil left how it breaks down- karstens 3mil, a-cutch 3mil, and hanrahan 3 mil , meek 1 mil,  morton 1.6 mil , grilli 1.25mil, veras 1.25mil, d’arnaud, mckenry, harrison, alex presley,  moskos, twats, leroux, d-cutch , matt hague 9 guys at 440k, james mcdonald and neil walker at 500k

w.l chen 
wada
james mcdonald
Karstens
Leroux (until morton gets back)

bullpen

hanrahan (closer)
Grilli -Veras- set up
d-cutch
twats 
moskos
meek
leroux (when morton comes back)

lineup
1. alex presley rf
2. jose tabata lf
3. a-cutch cf
4. D-lee 1b
5. ramon hernandez c
6. neil walker 2b
7. pedro alvarez 3b
8. ss- ??

bench- matt hague, d’arnaud, josh harrison, mckenry, ??, ??

43 mil spent- 9 mil left on 3 players. Barmes ( i wouldnt spend a penny over 4 mil for)

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By: Terry Gray http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/the-ideal-off-season.html#comment-10143 Tue, 08 Nov 2011 20:51:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21324#comment-10143   Ideal. I realize that we were to speculate on realistic options, but it’s a sad day when mediocre has become our ideal. I hoped that when all the mediocre players were let go they would be replaced with players that would make the team markedly better. Have we become so numb to the loosing that the best we can hope for is to replace a bunch of replacement level players with a bunch of replacement level players.
   I can’t believe the hole sky is falling panic over the last week. These guys whose options weren’t picked up are the same guys we have been bitching about for years. Oh my God what are we going to do without Ronny Cedeno. I’ll tell what they should do, field a better SS. And the best we can reasonably speculate on is Clint Barmis.
  Finally Paul Maholm is out of the rotation, now we can fill that spot Chris Capuano. With all this money that is now available the best we can speculate on is clones of these guys at better values. I thought the payroll was going to go up.
   We don’t need to worry  about only getting only 80 games out of C anymore. Let’s replace him with Ramon Hernandez, and give up a second round pick in the process. Maybe we can sign him for two years and expect a draft pick when he becomes a free agent again at 40.
  Boy that 1B platoon idea last year wound up turning out lousy. Who can we find to platoon with AFJ this year? How many k’s do you think he and Pena can rack up combined? Or maybe, just maybe, Derrek Lee is looking for one more payday before he heads off for the home.
  Come on people, just because we have been fed a bunch of crap for the last two decades shouldn’t mean we should start looking forward to a bunch of peanuts and corn.

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By: Mike http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/the-ideal-off-season.html#comment-10141 Tue, 08 Nov 2011 20:43:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21324#comment-10141 Ideal offseason – Wada – 2 yrs 8mil, Wei-Yin Chen 3yrs 18mil, Ramon Hernandez 2yrs 11 mil, D-lee – 1yr 6mil, ss- ?? . Trade Correia to kc for 2 mil in cash and player. Add to the books 19.5 mil + pedro 2.2 mil, tabata 917k, and 2 mil left over from correia = 24.67mil have 27.33 mil to fill out the 52 mil payroll expectation

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By: JustinG http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/the-ideal-off-season.html#comment-10142 Tue, 08 Nov 2011 20:43:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21324#comment-10142 20 something million on the open market should be much better than 20 something million of cedeno, maholm, doumit, and snyder.  They just have to spend it wisely.  Hernandez, Lee, Capuano, and Barmes could probably be had for around 20 and be at least as collectively good as the four that left.  Will be interesting to see if / what they spend.     Plus, I’d really like to see Bedard pitch for the Buccos…

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/the-ideal-off-season.html#comment-10140 Tue, 08 Nov 2011 19:55:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21324#comment-10140 None of the options that were picked high on the list would break the bank, I have to believe they still have enough money to fix the pen and get a decent starter.

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By: Bob http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/the-ideal-off-season.html#comment-10139 Tue, 08 Nov 2011 19:18:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21324#comment-10139 I never realized what a good fielder Barmes was, can’t hit worse than Ronny. 

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