Comments on: The Pirates Can’t Trade Jose Tabata http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/the-pirates-cant-trade-jose-tabata.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Mon, 08 Sep 2014 03:43:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/the-pirates-cant-trade-jose-tabata.html#comment-10156 Wed, 09 Nov 2011 21:28:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21239#comment-10156 Your second paragraph is exactly why you don’t trade him. Jose is signed so cheap that he allows you to keep more like 3 or 4 core players and he could easily turn into one himself.

What about his age 21 and 22 seasons tell you he isn’t good enough to build around?

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By: Josh Smith http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/the-pirates-cant-trade-jose-tabata.html#comment-10071 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 15:28:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21239#comment-10071 I agree with you that trading any of the young players for a few years is the wrong direction at this point in the development of the organization. The PR hit with fans as well as the players could prove devastating in resigning Neil Walker or Andrew McCutchen to long term deals which needs to happen. Sterling Marte is not ready to be on the major league roster until at least June if not longer. So that leaves the Pirates with an outfield consisting of Presley at LF, McCutchen at CF, and Tabata a RF. While there is not much power coming from this set of starters, aside from McCutchen, they are a solid group in other aspects. Plus many do not think that McCutchen has hit his full potential and very well could be a 30 HR type guy. If they can hold on to these four or add another decent OF they could suffice until someone like Bell could break the major league roster 2-3 years down the road. 

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/the-pirates-cant-trade-jose-tabata.html#comment-10053 Sun, 06 Nov 2011 16:10:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21239#comment-10053 going to take more than that, Braves are asking for Will Myers back from the Royals in a deal for Jurrjens. To get both Prado and Jurrjens for only Presley, Owens and Moreno I highly doubt.

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By: Mike http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/the-pirates-cant-trade-jose-tabata.html#comment-10048 Sun, 06 Nov 2011 03:17:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21239#comment-10048 Pedro needs pushed at 3rd. He needs a fire under his ass prado brings that challenge and at worse he got some arb years left and is a good utility guy in which the pirates dont have on the team . Jurrjens the pirates need badly also.

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By: Mike http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/the-pirates-cant-trade-jose-tabata.html#comment-10046 Sun, 06 Nov 2011 03:15:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21239#comment-10046 I still think putting a presley, rudy owens, diego moreno package together is way to go for jurrjens and prado is the way to go. Pirates need a guy who has dominated in the nl and jurrjens has and also a guy who will throw probably 190 innings they dont have any and jeff francis is trash unless he signs a 1 or 2 million dollar deal to be the 5 with some incentives.  Chris Capuano is worth bringing in also.

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By: Richard Bierer http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/the-pirates-cant-trade-jose-tabata.html#comment-10044 Sat, 05 Nov 2011 23:33:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21239#comment-10044 I don’t see trading any of the outfielders as a good idea for the next 2-3 years.  Even when Starling Marte is ready for the majors, I think it would be good to keep the personel we have.  Having Marte play center, McCutchen play left, Tabata play right, and keep Presley as a 4th outfielder.  I know this draws the criticism of “Where’s the power?”, but the defense and on-base would be top notch.

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By: terry http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/the-pirates-cant-trade-jose-tabata.html#comment-10043 Sat, 05 Nov 2011 22:28:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21239#comment-10043 I speculated on trading Tabata yesterday. My point was more about filling the empty holes via trade for younger impact players, rather then over the hill free agents. So at this point, who is the trade bate in this organization? Seems too many players are untouchable.

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By: John Toperzer http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/the-pirates-cant-trade-jose-tabata.html#comment-10042 Sat, 05 Nov 2011 22:08:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21239#comment-10042 I don’t see any reason to trade Tabata now, especially because of his low trade value. But his cost certainty boosts his trade value and if that meant getting pitching, I’m all for it. I’m not sold on the age thing either, even Neal Huntington said he might be a couple years older than reported during the last offseason. I love Tabata’s upside, but he’s got an injury-prone frame.

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By: Josh Smith http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/the-pirates-cant-trade-jose-tabata.html#comment-10041 Sat, 05 Nov 2011 20:56:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21239#comment-10041 I agree with the author on this subject for many different reasons. If you want to resign Neil Walker and Andrew McCutchen you need to keep Jose Tabata around. If you trade him not only does it leave a hole in the outfield but it also is a huge PR hit for a team that cannot afford it with the number of losing seasons. Most fans (and players) think that the Pirates are a joke of the MLB because they are not willing to sign players to long term deals and keep them in Pittsburgh for awhile. This mentality makes it extremely difficult to resign up-in-coming players, stars, big names free agents, etc. because the Pirates “trade away all of their good players.” Keeping Tabata around for quite a few years is good for PR to the fans, current players, free agents, and  possible draftees. Plus, as mentioned before, he signed a very team friendly contract. He can be kept around for a total of 9 more years before becoming a free agent. Jose Tabata is only 23 years only and has been in the league for a few seasons in which he has established himself as a legitimate top of the lineup hitter. He has also established himself as a very good base runner and defensive player. He is exactly what the Pirates need to make the lineup work especially with McCutchen, Walker, and possibly Alvarez (assuming he improves) behind him in the lineup pushing him across home plate. I understand where some of you are coming from with the current needs of the Pirates club but trading Tabata would not the the answer for the reasons listed above. He will not break bank at any point in his contract with the club and is a solid option who has not even seen his best days as a Pirate. 

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/11/the-pirates-cant-trade-jose-tabata.html#comment-10040 Sat, 05 Nov 2011 19:46:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=21239#comment-10040 He probably can’t be traded this year but if Grossman and Marte pan out, he could be dealt next year.

Small market, such as the Pirates can really only have two or three core players, that they can pay market value.  While I like Tabata, I don’t think he is a player to build a team around.  With Alvarez tanking, the Pirates really only have one player who is good enough to be a core player.

One reason to deal Tabata, aside from what Marte and Grossman do, is what he could bring in return.  If he can be dealt to get young major league ready (top half of the rotation) starting pitching. If he could be included in a deal to get Gio Gonzalez, that kind of deal has to be considered. 

Another deal would be Tabata for multiple good prospects.  As Time points out, prospects are the life blood of this organization.  If they have Marte, Grossman and Presley pushing forward, getting multiple prospects keeps the pipeline supplied with prospects.

One reason to make another team overpay for him, is his contract.  It is so absolutely team friendly that any team getting him has to pay for that contractual benefit.

The only players in this organizations who are currently untouchable or McCutchen, Cole and Taillon. Everyone else has a price.

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