Comments on: BA Ranks Pirates’ Farm System 13th http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/01/ba-ranks-pirates-farm-system-13th.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Mon, 15 Sep 2014 17:21:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Jay Yovanovich http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/01/ba-ranks-pirates-farm-system-13th.html#comment-11812 Sat, 28 Jan 2012 21:34:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23418#comment-11812 good post

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By: Jay Yovanovich http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/01/ba-ranks-pirates-farm-system-13th.html#comment-11811 Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:59:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23418#comment-11811 one day at a time

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By: john.alcorn http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/01/ba-ranks-pirates-farm-system-13th.html#comment-11809 Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:26:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23418#comment-11809 James, you are not the only one who has made a lifetime of following this team. I’m curious as to why you are so sure that NH is better than even Bonifay? Bonifay had better MLB teams and better minor league systems than we do now.

I agree that NH’s approach is better, its actually spot on, but the execution has been pretty questionable.

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By: john.alcorn http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/01/ba-ranks-pirates-farm-system-13th.html#comment-11808 Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:24:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23418#comment-11808 Objectivity went out the window about 15 posts ago when the pro-NH crowd got their fur up. This ranking is a good opportunity to step back and be objective. Obviously we all like the state of our system right now, that’s why we visit and support websites like this one. The fact that the best regarded experts in the country don’t like it nearly as much should be a warning bell to step back and evaluate why. It shouldn’t be a marching cry to blindly defend management with simple rhetoric and excuses.

I agree with the system defenders, but I can’t help but be concerned by how others view us, particularly when those “others” are the best of the best.

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By: Nate http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/01/ba-ranks-pirates-farm-system-13th.html#comment-11806 Sat, 28 Jan 2012 06:21:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23418#comment-11806 Lincecum didn’t break through til he was 24, Hamilton 26, Bautista 28.
Pedro is only 24 w/ 169 games (and 20 homers)…basically 1 year.  Sanchez had a tough AA yr after a bigtime injury & weightloss.  ZVR, Cain, and the other HS pitchers aren’t even 21 yrs old yet.  And people wanna complain about them?

Do they expect everyone to be Harper, Trout, Minor, or Strasburg?

Look at who was drafted around Pedro.  Who is tearing it up right now?  Tim Beckham, Smoak, Skipworth, Matusz, Castro, Wallace, Dykstra, Crow?  Nope.
Just Alonso, Posey, Lowrie, & Hosmer. 

What about Sanchez’s class?  Hobgood, Tate, Maztek, Green, Purke, Wheeler, Borchering?   Nope.  Turner, Minor, and Alex White all had negative WARs.

Taillon’s class?  Pomeranz and Chris Sale have made it.  That’s it. 

Patience folks.  Patience. 

Me…I can wait for:  Taillon, Cole, Bell, Allie, Heredia, ZVR, Dodson, Kingman, Dickerson, Marte, Grossman, Freeman, Maggi, Ngeope, Cain, Black, Curry, Holt, Baker, Chambers, and Cunningham. 

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By: James S http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/01/ba-ranks-pirates-farm-system-13th.html#comment-11799 Fri, 27 Jan 2012 21:11:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23418#comment-11799 I don’t care what the pundits have to say about the Pirates farm system. I’ve been here all my life and know without a doubt that this team’s current system is better than it has been in the past 25 years (at least).

Anyone who’s been around since then should know that Littlefield was an idiot, and Bonifay not much better (still better than Littlefield at least). I didn’t care much for Larry Doughty either, but he was at least better than those two. The only good GM’s we had since Harding Peterson were Syd Thrift and Joe L. Brown when he stepped in temporarily to hire Syd Thrift in the first place.

Huntington has been the best GM since then, and I am grateful. They could have done a lot worse, (but then again, it would very hard for ANYONE not to be an improvement on Littlefield & Bonifay.)

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By: Ian Rothermund http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/01/ba-ranks-pirates-farm-system-13th.html#comment-11798 Fri, 27 Jan 2012 20:24:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23418#comment-11798 I just have a problem with the people out there that refuse to look at it objectively.  It’s like some people are not even willing to accept the idea that NH has done some good.  It’s as if there has been one steady stream of terrible ideas since before he even came into play.  I’m just sick of the idea that he has to somehow take responsibility for things that were done before he was even part of the organization.

In response to the Pirates being a top 5 next year, I’m not even sure that they could achieve that.  I think they would need a few guys to take that big step forward, in a Grossman kind of way for that to be true.  However, I think they can easily be somewhere 5-10 with simple, encouraging years from the draftees from 2011 (Cole and Bell, especially, but let’s not forget Dickerson), along with guys like Grossman proving he can achieve at the AA level similarly to what he did last year.  Continued improvement from Taillon will also be necessary, considering the amount of stock the entire franchise has riding on him, not to mention the expectations everyone around MLB has for him.  As a side note, I think I’m very comfortable with the idea of Taillon spending the entire season in high-A this year.  However, with an expanded pitch selection, especially if his change-up continues to improve, but also if he’s allowed to use his slider which was projected to be close to the level of his curveball, I find it difficult to believe that he won’t be able to achieve and very possibly far exceed his stats from last year in WV. 

To reiterate, I can easily see the Pirates having a top-10 farm system this time next year with a simply encouraging, consistent season all-around.  However, if one or two of the guys in WV or Bradenton can have breakout years that establish them as serious prospects, I think some thought has to be put into what’s holding them back from being a top-5.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/01/ba-ranks-pirates-farm-system-13th.html#comment-11796 Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:55:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23418#comment-11796 Exactly, The Buccos system next year I feel will be ranked in top 5. It is amazing the impatience that these Bob Smizik readers rant on about, all the kids with Talent were mostly Highschool picks, takes longer to develop.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/01/ba-ranks-pirates-farm-system-13th.html#comment-11795 Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:48:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23418#comment-11795 Do you know what sarcasm is? And yea the Farm system is at least 10x better under Neal than that under Dave ever.

Haha Debt situation you mean the Great Kevin McClatchy couldn’t afford to keep someone? But will bash Bob Nutting to death cause hes soo cheap, when hes spent more than anyone else on the MLB draft in last 4 years.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/01/ba-ranks-pirates-farm-system-13th.html#comment-11793 Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:44:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23418#comment-11793 Right cause the great Dave Littlefield did such a great job! You know nothing fans loved him though cause he signed great veterans that you knew the names of, and he drafted so so well.

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