Comments on: Does a Big Free Agent Make Sense For the Pirates? Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Sat, 15 Nov 2014 15:17:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: Anonymous Thu, 02 Feb 2012 22:46:00 +0000 It doesn’t really matter if it makes sense to any of us, apparently it didn’t to NH or FC,

Although this is probably a matter of definition as NH and FC consider the 3 Bs to be big free agents.

It makes me wonder if the Bucs were really serious when seeking pitcher from Colorado. 

By: Anonymous Thu, 02 Feb 2012 14:56:00 +0000 There is no way that even a $75 million dollar payroll will cripple the Pirates.  This team is owned by Nutting and funded by the public.  If anyone thinks that he is spending his own money, please give me a call, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell to you.  I, along with a large number of other people, is tired of watching this team worry about tommorrow and not do anything about today.  Just wait until next year.  This year hasn’t even started yet.  The fact that their is discussion about signing a 28 year old pitcher to a 4 year $44 million dollar contract is absurd.  This is a huge no brainer.  Their is risk involved in this game.  Maybe the Pirates can get him cheaper.  It speaks volumnes that he would be our ace of the staff is he is signed.  He is consistant and can pitch a lot of innings.  What is wrong with that?  Cole should be on the roster on opening day.  With Jackson as the ace this year the Pirates can be respectable.  If everything works in our favor, he will be our #3 or #4 pitcher when the young studs come aboard.  If Cole and Taillon are as good as advertised, the Pirates will have a formidable staff.  If it blows up, it blows up.  At least they tried.  A mid $50 million payroll is nothing in this league.

If the Pirates really want to make a splash, they should try to trade for David Wright.  The Mets are in trouble.  He is owed $15 – $16 million a year for the next two years.  That would take a little stress off of Pedro and show the fans that the Pirates actually care.  Moves like this would put the payroll in the mid $70 million range.  Signing Cespedes would be an even bolder move.  here is your line-up.

RF – Presley
2B – Walker
CF – McCutchen
3B – Wright
1B – Pedro
LF –  Tabata
SS – Barmes
C – Barajas
P – Jackson

By: Geoff Thu, 02 Feb 2012 04:45:00 +0000 Everyone seems to think it would just be that easy for the Pirates to go out and sign a big name free agent.  Those same people seem to forget the player can turn us down.  Our former first baseman is more willing to retire than take $7.5 M to play first for us this year.  If the Buccos want a big name, or even a 2nd tier FA, they are going to have to overpay for him, which really isn’t viable for a team in their market.  I would rather use at least a chunk of this available loot to take care of internal personnel.  Lock up Cutch, extend Walker, and use what’s left to get some extra competition for the rotation.  Edwin Jackson is incredibly up and down.  If he regresses, which is a definite possibility, the Pirates are screwed.  They can’t afford to take that big of a gamble.  Not until they have the depth available to bail them out.

By: Anonymous Thu, 02 Feb 2012 01:24:00 +0000 so you think it was baloney that the Bucs should even hinted that payroll could go up in 2012?

I don’t think the team needs to sign a big free agent and I don’t think they need to just make improvements one year at a time.  NH has build the team off the scrap heap (old free agents in Barmes, Barajas, – G. Jones as minor league free agent).

There are trades to make (Leadoff mentioned potential blockbuster that it sounds like the other team backed out of). 

So people just forget about the Pirates because they always lose?  It seems like the team should be trying to change that and give fans something positive to think about.  IMO, the team has cut itself off at the knees by saying at least since NH has been in charge that the payroll is not going to go over $50 -52 million which means a lot of players are not even in the ballpark for them to consider.

They are taking a risk on MaGahee, just like with Correia and Bedard and hoping for bounceback years.  It is great to take risks but the upside is not high (except in case of Bedard) and risk of them declining is probably at least 50-50.  I just find it disheartening to root for a team that has yet to try to win at the major league level with the exception of the fluke 2011 and 1997 seasons.  And both of them happened because no other team in the Division had gotten off to a good start

HOw many people here thought when NH was hired in 2007 that team would  not be considered to be at least a 500 team by now? 

Are the Astros telling their fans wait until 2020?  Theo Epstein is expected to turn the Cubs around sooner than that.  Arizona didn’t take too long to get back in contention.  The Bucs are the exception to the rule as far as being able to put together a winning season (although KC is close – it looks like the Royals will contend sooner than Bucs)

By: Tim Williams Wed, 01 Feb 2012 23:44:00 +0000 I think if you look at what other teams have done, most teams don’t make the big addition until after they’ve reached .500. Milwaukee didn’t make a big free agent splash until they went 81-81.

The teams that try to build through free agency generally don’t see their plan work out. It’s always flashy, and it gets a ton of publicity, then people just forget all about it when the team loses.

By: William Pearce Wed, 01 Feb 2012 23:17:00 +0000 I see a BRIGHT spot… two big hitters are no longer in the NL East…  Angels and Tigers helped the Pirates more than anything the Pirate  front office has done.. Of coarse Braun helped too…:-) 

By: William Pearce Wed, 01 Feb 2012 23:14:00 +0000 LOVE IT…  You are good:-) This team will only have hope…not many wins:-( 

By: William Pearce Wed, 01 Feb 2012 23:10:00 +0000 In 18 years they drafted high because of their record…mmm That alone should have brought them into contention..but..???  I believe as long as people like me goes to the games just to see a beautiful ball park they will never be sold… Oh well we can bet in a few years a new GM or Manager will be is easier than  I think it is “GROUND HOG DAY” for 18 years and counting…

By: Anonymous Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:24:00 +0000 Tim,

I would like to see an article, Does the Pirates approach to the 2011 and 2012 seasons make sense?

To me, the answer is it only does if you expect to have a mediocre team and want to keep drafting in the top 5 or 6 picks with an all your eggs in one basket plan  to just wait until there are tons of high end prospects graduating from the minor league system.

By: John Lease Wed, 01 Feb 2012 19:57:00 +0000 Hope is free, which makes it a vital part of the Pirates long range plans.  If it cost something, it would have to be rationed.