Comments on: Is This the 2002-2003 Off-Season All Over Again? http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/01/is-this-the-2002-2003-off-season-all-over-again.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Thu, 13 Nov 2014 23:58:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.0 By: James S http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/01/is-this-the-2002-2003-off-season-all-over-again.html#comment-11741 Wed, 25 Jan 2012 20:59:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23372#comment-11741 I don’t know why anyone thinks the Pirates have a chance to get Cespedes.
Give it up! They are never going to get him! This is the Pirates you are talking about! If they ever do get him, it will be in 15 years when his career is just about over.

And when they trade Andrew McCutchen for a career double A player in May, then I’ll agree that it resembles the 2003 season.
Even the memory of giving away Aramis Ramirez for nothing makes me sick. I would never put anything past this organization after witnessing that. It made me realize right then that this team will probably leave Pittsburgh before they ever see another championship.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/01/is-this-the-2002-2003-off-season-all-over-again.html#comment-11738 Wed, 25 Jan 2012 19:23:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23372#comment-11738 The question I ask is who was willing to take the GM job after DL?

They would have been taking over a team with no pitching on the big team no pitching in the minors.

One of the lowest payrolls in baseball so they couldn’t spend their way out.

A minor league system with one top prospect and maybe a promising prospect who was maybe 5 yrs away (Marte).

I don’t think the best and the brightest were lining up outside the Pirate offices begging for an interview.

I know that NH has made alot of mistakes and he is going to make alot more but he is here and not going anywhere.

I wish I knew answers to some questions like how much money do the Pirates really have? But they arn’t going to tell me or you.

I don’t get paid to defend NH but I understand the problems he or anyone else had to face in taking that job so in that regard I tend to give him a break.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/01/is-this-the-2002-2003-off-season-all-over-again.html#comment-11737 Wed, 25 Jan 2012 19:22:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23372#comment-11737 The question I ask is who was willing to take the GM job after DL?

They would have been taking over a team with no pitching on the big team no pitching in the minors.

One of the lowest payrolls in baseball so they couldn’t spend their way out.

A minor league system with one top prospect and maybe a promising prospect who was maybe 5 yrs away (Marte).

I don’t think the best and the brightest were lining up outside the Pirate offices begging for an interview.

I know that NH has made alot of mistakes and he is going to make alot more but he is here and not going anywhere.

I wish I knew answers to some questions like how much money do the Pirates really have? But they arn’t going to tell me or you.

I don’t get paid to defend NH but I understand the problems he or anyone else had to face in taking that job so in that regard I tend to give him a break.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/01/is-this-the-2002-2003-off-season-all-over-again.html#comment-11736 Wed, 25 Jan 2012 16:21:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23372#comment-11736 Cespedes comment on MLB TradeRumors:

The 26-year-old Cespedes went 5-for-35 with no walks and ten strikeouts in winter ball this month, and won’t play again according to Baseball America’s Ben Badler (on Twitter).

Hmmm…small sample size, but…..

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/01/is-this-the-2002-2003-off-season-all-over-again.html#comment-11734 Wed, 25 Jan 2012 03:05:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23372#comment-11734 jackson for 5yrs 50 million, for this franchise would make papa nutting head explode.

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/01/is-this-the-2002-2003-off-season-all-over-again.html#comment-11733 Wed, 25 Jan 2012 02:04:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23372#comment-11733 Actually, when the Pirates offered Lee arbitration, he was guaranteed at least $8.5 M. That’s what he made in 2011, so he would have seen a raise over that number had he accepted arbitration.

Considering Lee doesn’t want to play here, I think my preference would be: 1. Cespedes 2. Jackson

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By: Nate http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/01/is-this-the-2002-2003-off-season-all-over-again.html#comment-11732 Wed, 25 Jan 2012 02:01:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23372#comment-11732 If only….

Go out and make DLee forget retirement (1 yr/8.5 mill w/ the promise of trade to playoff bound team if Bucs are out of it in July) –this allows McGhee to be a strong bench/sub option for DLee and PedroGrab EJax (4 yr/44 mill + 5th yr team option)Sign Cespedes AND SolerAhhhh….its fun to fantasize.TabataACutchCespedesPedroDLeeWalker BarmesBarajas  

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/01/is-this-the-2002-2003-off-season-all-over-again.html#comment-11731 Wed, 25 Jan 2012 01:54:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23372#comment-11731 You don’t see many teams dealing young SS talent. I think the only way the Pirates get that is if they deal McCutchen. The Pirates aren’t the only team looking for young shortstops. And by young shortstops, I assume you mean someone who is a two way player. That’s probably the most sought after commodity in baseball.

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By: Nate http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/01/is-this-the-2002-2003-off-season-all-over-again.html#comment-11729 Wed, 25 Jan 2012 01:51:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23372#comment-11729 Totally agree with the 2nd paragraph.  It has been terribly frustrating watching the young 1B talent out there to be had go to other teams.  I also feel like there is young SS talent to be had as well.  
I would love to see the team come out of no where and sign Cespedes, then turn Grossman and Presley into SS upgrades. 

Was wondering what the true upsides of Chase and Jordy really are?

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/01/is-this-the-2002-2003-off-season-all-over-again.html#comment-11730 Wed, 25 Jan 2012 01:51:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23372#comment-11730 All I’m saying is that the off-season shouldn’t be the only focus if you’re making an argument for the long term. What if the McLouth trade was made in the off-season, rather than mid-season? It wouldn’t change the current team. It would just make it so that the Pirates added Morton in the off-season, rather than in-season.

If you’re making an argument about the following season, then only citing the off-season seems valid. But if you’re looking long term, then there’s no need to narrow the scope and focus on one area.

Personally I don’t care about the off-season moves as much as I do the in-season moves. I think that where the Pirates have been the past five years, the in-season moves can have a bigger impact. In the past four years they haven’t been at a point where a big free agent will make them contenders in the off-season. They have, however, been sellers for most of that time period. So I’d expect the big moves to happen mid-season in that situation. And most of the big moves did happen mid-season. Some of the trades didn’t work out, and some have worked out very well.

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