Comments on: Trade Targets: Brandon Allen http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/01/trade-targets-brandon-allen.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Mon, 26 May 2014 13:54:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.3 By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/01/trade-targets-brandon-allen.html#comment-11675 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 23:09:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23281#comment-11675 I need an unlike button for this comment.  Where is the unlike button?

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By: Nate http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/01/trade-targets-brandon-allen.html#comment-11664 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 16:54:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23281#comment-11664 If we are operating under the notion of finding true value, we should go with Hague.  NH’s obsession with declining value 1B prospects is getting us nowhere, especially as such an important power position.  We’re not getting to the playoffs next year, Hague has showed promise, so let him develop.  You have Curry behind him.

Use your organization depth, use your the system.  Don’t use the Evans/Fox/trade for Smoak solution – that rarely gets you anywhere.  

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/01/trade-targets-brandon-allen.html#comment-11663 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:52:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23281#comment-11663 Carter doesn’t really impress me much either. But I think he has a slightly better minor league track record to suggest that his numbers aren’t just a product of the PCL. Plus he’s a year younger.

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By: john.alcorn http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/01/trade-targets-brandon-allen.html#comment-11662 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:44:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23281#comment-11662 Curious that you view Carter as being better than Allen since he’s only a year younger, is terribel defensively, and his K:BB and K rate are worse at AAA.

Carter – 24.9K%, 2.0:1 K:BB -11 TzR
Allen – 21.0K% 1.4:1 K:BB 0 TzR

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By: john.alcorn http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/01/trade-targets-brandon-allen.html#comment-11660 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:38:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23281#comment-11660 As for Smoak, he’s a high #1 pick with great pedigree who was acquired in a huge trade. He isn’t going anywhere. As for not having done anything as a rationale to dump him -

player A – .696 OPS 199K/61BB in 648 MLB PA’s
player B – .701 OPS 196L/101BB in 886 MLB PA’s

Yep that’s Pedro Alvarez as player A, Smoak as player B. Smoak has been better than Alvarez. Smoak is coming off his best year and he finished with a very solid Sept after returning from injury. I somehow doubt you think we should dump Pedro for a AAAA guy like Carp. 

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/01/trade-targets-brandon-allen.html#comment-11661 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:38:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23281#comment-11661 That’s why I think Allen is similar to where Clement was a few years ago. Yeah, his PCL numbers are better than Clement’s, but they’re still inflated numbers. Clement had a .284/.372/.495 line in the PCL in over 1200 at-bats. But he was over-matched in his time in the majors. He had power in the majors, but that was the only thing. That’s been the same story with Allen so far.

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By: john.alcorn http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/01/trade-targets-brandon-allen.html#comment-11659 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:34:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23281#comment-11659 James you are basing all your assumptions on limited MLB palying tome from a prospect. By your approach would you say Nick Evans and Jake Fox are better than Pedro Alvarez? They have better MLB numbers.

I’m basing my opinion on actual MLB value. Brandon Allen was worth a legit 8th inning MLB RP just last July. Fox and Evans are career minor leaguers with zero value available as MiFA. Matt Hague is viewed so poorly that this organization refused to give him a chance when they had a negative WAR player at 1B for 4 months last year. Fox is a career AAA guy at 29, Evans and Hague are OK players who have zero chance of hitting like a MLB 1B. Allen has an absolute chance to hit for power in the bigs and his walk rate suggests he could do a pretty good Carlos Pena impression.

Bill James projects Allen to put up a .776 OPS with 22 HR this year, that is much better than anything the other AAA 1B options can do.

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By: john.alcorn http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/01/trade-targets-brandon-allen.html#comment-11658 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:26:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23281#comment-11658 Clement’s numbers are almost all form the PCL too (1434 of his AAA plate appearances vs 360 in the IL). I’m not saying he’s the answer either, but he’s a good low risk option when we have a free spot on the 25 man available.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/01/trade-targets-brandon-allen.html#comment-11657 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:50:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23281#comment-11657 Go for Barton then if you think he can play as well as in 2010.  At least he gets on base and would make up some for Barmes and Barajas.

Would need to get good reports from Bucco scouts that he isn’t done. 

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By: Nate http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/01/trade-targets-brandon-allen.html#comment-11655 Fri, 20 Jan 2012 04:50:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23281#comment-11655 Would you do that trade though?

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