Comments on: A.J. Burnett Rumors: Sunday http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/02/pirates-and-yankees-have-framework-for-possible-deal.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Tue, 27 May 2014 10:04:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.3 By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/02/pirates-and-yankees-have-framework-for-possible-deal.html#comment-12305 Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:53:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=25637#comment-12305 What would I do if I was a GM for a day? That’s a real good question if it had to be for the Pirates. The cheap owners don’t give you much $$ to make a difference, so I guess I would play golf a lot.
Well to be serious, I surely wouldn’t bring in a 35 year old pitchers that clearly have proven the past few years that they are not the same pitcher they have been in their careers. So I wouldn’t have taken the Cashman call. I would have begged Nutting to let me take a flyer on the Cuban power hitter Cespedes. if the “small market” A’s can throw 36 million at him, so can the Pirates. I would have handled the Sano deal a few years ago better that’s for sure. I would have tried to bring Pena to Pittsburgh, even if I had to over pay to do it. 

Huntington is clearly over his head and not capable to handle this much responsibility. He made 1 good trade since he got here and he got LUCKY. He has actually made this team much worse since he took over and has laid all his eggs in one basket. If all these draft picks don’t pan out this team is finished. They won’t see another .500 season in my lifetime. Before all the poster who think that’s the only way to filled a team in this market, I say that B.S.. If teams like the Reds,A’s, and Brewers can look outside the box and filled a competitive team so can the Pirates.

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By: Robert S. Myers http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/02/pirates-and-yankees-have-framework-for-possible-deal.html#comment-12304 Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:29:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=25637#comment-12304 What team is this…

2010:  Danys Baez, Dane Sardinha, John Suomi, Ryan Vogelsong, Ehren Wasserman, Brian Bocock, Kevin Mahar, John Purdom, Brian Gordon, Brian Wilkerson, etc….

Give up?   Only the Phillies.  You can see that it goes around every clubhouse in baseball.  Sure.  They are at a point where they can also pay big bucks for a player but 90% of there transactions are the same ones the Pirates make every year.

It is easy to go back a couple years and type the ones that dont make it.  Every team has them.

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By: Ian Rothermund http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/02/pirates-and-yankees-have-framework-for-possible-deal.html#comment-12303 Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:35:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=25637#comment-12303  I don’t find good in everything they do.  It’s just a matter of accepting reality and the “best” they can get.  Some moves they’ve done have been terrible, but I have a hard time in ridiculing them so mercilessly whenever most of the moves that you’re degrading them about cost them absolutely nothing, relatively.  Waiver pick-ups, signing guys for the league minimum, signing guys to minor league deals with invites to spring training pose absolutely no risk. 

When you consider that in a lot of scenarios, the losers they picked up were the best options at the time, I don’t even that’s all that bad of an offense.  Overbay was a decent pick-up, it was a good signing at the time….it just didn’t work out in reality.  His track record dictated one thing, and even factoring in realistic decline due to his age, he should have done much better.  That’s just one example of why at this time it’s so dangerous to shell out money on only one F.A. that isn’t really a difference maker.  Not to mention we had to pay him 5 mil to begin with.  That was wasted money, but there rightfully there should have been more production.

While they’re not in a great position, they’re better off than when NH took over, and the outlook is better than it has been since the mid-late 80′s.  I’m definitely not going to blame him for trading away worthless players to get Charlie Morton, Tabata, MacDonald, and Karstens, hey maybe even Locke could contribute some day. 

I don’t support everything this regime has done, but to just say that every single thing they’ve done is stupid, every player they’ve signed has been a terrible sign when they haven’t spent or wasted that much money is a fallacy.  There are obvious limitations given the circumstances the team is in due to the market and the state of the franchise’s prestige when NH took over, and so far I think he’s done a relatively job with it.  It’s hard to tell after only 3 years or so when signing legitimate free agents is not an option, and when the philosophy is based around the Draft.

You still never answered my question……what moves would you have made differently so far?  Obviously you can identify when he fails, that must mean you know better.  What would you do if you were GM for a day?
 

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/02/pirates-and-yankees-have-framework-for-possible-deal.html#comment-12297 Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:49:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=25637#comment-12297 At the price the Pirates should get him at he can be a decent trade chip either this year or next. And remember next season Bedard and Correia are not under contract so other than Morton and McDonald I dont see any innings eating vets on this team. I dont think Karstens is long for his role and I think itll be his last arb year so who knows where that goes. Anyway Burnett is probably an upgrade this year and next of course depending on the return.

Bigger question is when they get him whos coming off the 40 man? rule 5 guy? Some reliever? Cutch? ;)

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/02/pirates-and-yankees-have-framework-for-possible-deal.html#comment-12288 Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:32:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=25637#comment-12288 actually talked to neal about soler at an event. He said they arent big on soler as a prospect says he has a huge whole in his swing and made a comment on how young cuban players have a real hard time adjusting.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/02/pirates-and-yankees-have-framework-for-possible-deal.html#comment-12285 Mon, 13 Feb 2012 13:36:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=25637#comment-12285 You are either Neal Huntington in disguise or the Nuttings dream fan who finds good in everything they do. I bet last year when everybody was bashing the Lyle Overbay signing you were saying how he had a down year in 2010 and look at his past year stats and it was a GREAT deal. The season told us that he was washed up and it was a HORRIBLE deal and history seems to repeat for the Pirates from year to year. I think its the uniform now. Barajas,Burnett,McGehee,and Mclouth will all be bust. Barnes might be too but he has some skills left. Time will tell though but all hope for the Pirates were lost years ago.

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By: Ian Rothermund http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/02/pirates-and-yankees-have-framework-for-possible-deal.html#comment-12284 Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:23:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=25637#comment-12284  Yeah.  He complains about Pagnozzi, but that was when we were already down to a guy from AA being a pulled muscle away from starting in Pittsburgh.  Honestly…

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By: Ian Rothermund http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/02/pirates-and-yankees-have-framework-for-possible-deal.html#comment-12283 Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:21:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=25637#comment-12283  A.) who the hell else do you expect to actually come to Pittsburgh?  Jackson didn’t want to come for 3 guaranteed years and instead chose 1 with the Nationals, and they’re still guaranteed to lose this year too.

B.)  maybe you don’t pay attention to what other GM’s of small market teams do in order to even field a semi-respectable team, but this is it.  You throw a lot of cheap options at the wall; some stick, some serve their purpose for a year, and most of them wash out, some before the season even starts.  This year especially, they got two reliable defensive starters in Barnes and Barajas, both of whom you can pencil in to be every day guys.  Barajas might even hit a few homeruns along the way.  Burnett would not be an upgrade over whom in the current group of SP’s?  Fox, Evans, and Navarro won’t even see a Pirates uniform unless the team plane crashes, and if Bedard starts 20-25 games this season, you’ll be begging NH to sign a longer extension.  As for Mcgehee, maybe you just don’t read a lot; last year he had a hand injury and a sick child, neither of which he’ll have to worry about this year.  I bet if you had that combo, you’d be underachieving at your job too, and I bet it doesn’t rely on you performing at a high level in a professional sport, not to mention we got him for a relief pitcher that you probably spent most of the year last year bashing because you don’t know how to read a stat sheet.  As for McClouth, we got him for nothing just to be the #4 outfielder, I’m wondering who else we could have gotten for cheaper to serve as a defensive outfielder at all of the positions and be a half way decent pinch runner.  He’s here because they’d rather have Marte start all year in AAA.

In case you haven’t noticed, there have been undeniable improvements not only in the team, but to the respectability of the franchise.  The difference is, while we didn’t sign Prince or Pujols this year, we got guys that actually have some amount of upside or legitimately fill a need (McGehee/Barajas/Barnes/McClouth), and not just guys off the waiver wire like NH was forced to do in the first several years he was GM. 

I suppose I’m just curious what you would have done differently.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/02/pirates-and-yankees-have-framework-for-possible-deal.html#comment-12282 Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:20:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=25637#comment-12282 It would be nice to have a veteran power pitcher that has been on a winning team to mentor some of the young talented pitchers in 2013

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/02/pirates-and-yankees-have-framework-for-possible-deal.html#comment-12281 Mon, 13 Feb 2012 02:50:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=25637#comment-12281 Why do you only list the ones that didn’t work out? Why not list all players he acquired over all these years? This is what happens when you inherit a crappy team with minimal talent in the upper minors. You wind up with lots and lots of stopgaps. In all fairness, Scott Olson never made it out of ST, and after losing their top three catchers, they wound up scrambling for catchers all season.

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