Comments on: Taking a Look at the Pirates’ Crowded Bullpen http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/02/taking-a-look-at-the-pirates-crowded-bullpen.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Fri, 25 Jul 2014 18:03:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.1 By: Yung-Han http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/02/taking-a-look-at-the-pirates-crowded-bullpen.html#comment-12072 Tue, 07 Feb 2012 02:01:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23536#comment-12072 It really seems like NH likes high K high walk rate guys for his bullpen.  It sorta makes sense because batter have an aggressive early count approach late in games and a little wildness actually helps since the batter can’t guess a location 100%.  I saw that a lot in Good/Bad Veras   Which means, White Cutch, Watson and Crotta are the odd men out.  Still the arms in the bullpen is remarkable better than the old days of the 86 mph junkballer, even if most of them have some issues.  I wonder if Hurdle won’t get his wish and get 2 lefties no matter how much he wishes it.

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By: Matt Beam http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/02/taking-a-look-at-the-pirates-crowded-bullpen.html#comment-12025 Sun, 05 Feb 2012 15:57:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23536#comment-12025 Word here in Cincinnati is that the Reds need to move Aroldis Chapman’s salary in order to sign Roy Oswalt. Chapman reminds me of Oliver Perez but with a much higher upside, maybe Ray Searage could solve his mental issues.

Assuming the Reds would be willing to deal within the division and take McCutchen and/or G. Hernandez in exchange for us eating his entire salary, would you do this deal?

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/02/taking-a-look-at-the-pirates-crowded-bullpen.html#comment-11958 Thu, 02 Feb 2012 19:06:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23536#comment-11958 I believe the starting rotation could get hit hard this year.  As such, I believe it will be important to have one or more pitchers in the pen who can give you more than 1 inning.

Thus, a few thoughts about the pen:

The time to trade Hanrahan for good value likely has passed for at least several months.  Most teams that really need a closer now appear set at closer based on free agent signings and trades.  This year I hope that Hanrahan can pitch at the level he did during the first half last year and that NH can trade him for some value mid-season.

The two RH relievers who I believe are on the shortest leashes are Resop and Meek.  Meek showed next to nothing last year and we all need to hope that he can begin to pitch like he did during parts of 2010.  With Resop, he looked okay last year until he had to throw all too often.  Similar to Hanrahan, I hope he has a decent first 2 months and that NH can trade him for some prospect talent.  One good feature about both is that there are signed to low  cost contracts; which could enhance their trade value or make it less painful to cut them loose if they don’t perform.

I am hoping that Grilli’s and LeRoux’s perfromances at the end of the season were not mirages.  If one or both can pitch like they did last year, the Pirates have the makings of some relievers who would be a plus.  I like LeRoux as both a long-man (2-3 innings) and someone who could get a single out or two when you may need one in the 7th or 8th.  If Grilli can continue to strike out more than a batter an inning, why not use him in the 8th. 

I like McCutchen as a long man; someone who sits in the pen until you need someone to deliver some innings for a failed starter, and not someone who you call on for only an inning, unless he really needs some work.

So, unless Meek or Resop look like toast in spring training, my initial pen would shape up as follows:
Hanrahan – closer
Grilli – 8th
Meek – 6th & 7th
Resop – 6th & 7th
LeRoux – 2 inning pitcher with occassional use in short term role
McCutchen – Reserve for longer term stints
Watson – Only lefty in the pen.  I prefer to go with quality rather than righty-lefty.  Moskos just didn’t look ready last year.

Come June – July, I hope that Morris, Hughes and others are pushing NH to trade a reliever or two.  PIttsburgh desperately needs more talent and perhaps a contending team could use some bullpen help for someone who has a potential long-term upside.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/02/taking-a-look-at-the-pirates-crowded-bullpen.html#comment-11952 Thu, 02 Feb 2012 17:16:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23536#comment-11952 If the Pirates sign Jackson, they won’t have to rely on the bullpen as much.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/02/taking-a-look-at-the-pirates-crowded-bullpen.html#comment-11951 Thu, 02 Feb 2012 17:01:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23536#comment-11951 My 7 man bullpen would be:
Hanrahan CL
Cruz 7th/8th Inning
Meek 7th/8th Inning
Watson 7th/8th Inning (when he burns out, go to Moskos)
Grilli 6th/7th Inning
Leroux 6th/7th (long man maybe, stretching him out a little into a possible starter)
McCutchen (long man)

To me, Resop would be the odd man out. I think Cruz is better, and if his stuff comes back, Meek is better. Hughes/Wood back to AAA as depth.
The rest of the NRI would be gone.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/02/taking-a-look-at-the-pirates-crowded-bullpen.html#comment-11950 Thu, 02 Feb 2012 16:58:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23536#comment-11950 Reclamation projects are the Pirates specialties. If his arm is not gone, he will get a chance to prove it in ST.
I did not think he was a bonified 8th inning guy when he did not have arm trouble, he was always in trouble, never 1-2-3. There can be as much pressure in the 8th inning as there is in the 9th inning, I never though this guy was a good pressure pitcher.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/02/taking-a-look-at-the-pirates-crowded-bullpen.html#comment-11949 Thu, 02 Feb 2012 16:57:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23536#comment-11949 I am probably not the kind of guy that thinks they should have gotten rid of Alvarez. I am not a “Get Rid of Guy”. I am not a free ride guy either. Meek is not a comparison to Alvarez, apples and oranges.
If you read the whole post, you would have read that I stated that if they want to keep Meek he should be watched closely in ST and not given a free ride as a guy like Hanrahan would get if he does not do well in ST.

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By: Alicia Rothermund http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/02/taking-a-look-at-the-pirates-crowded-bullpen.html#comment-11948 Thu, 02 Feb 2012 16:29:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23536#comment-11948 I like that idea about the rotation.  If they didn’t have the depth that they do in the bullpen, I’d say put Correia in the bullpen.

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By: Alicia Rothermund http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/02/taking-a-look-at-the-pirates-crowded-bullpen.html#comment-11947 Thu, 02 Feb 2012 16:28:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23536#comment-11947 but maybe Meek’s stuff isn’t gone.  I think you’re making assumptions about things you aren’t familiar with.  I mean, it may be gone for good.  However, considering his injury, I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibilities that he needed a legitimate break rather than forcing him to come back because they had so many other injuries on the team.  If he comes back in Spring Training and can hit 93 and maybe touch on 94, I’d wager that he’s on his way back up.  If that’s the case, then you would have traded or released a player that could be your “bonifide” 8th inning guy, and gotten absolutely nothing in return.  With all the options in the mix this coming season, I would think that if he really had nothing left, he would have been rid of a while ago, the Pirates aren’t that stupid.

You’re probably the kind of guy that thinks that they should have gotten rid of Alvarez after last year too when he doesn’t even have a full season of AB’s yet.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/02/taking-a-look-at-the-pirates-crowded-bullpen.html#comment-11946 Thu, 02 Feb 2012 16:26:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=23536#comment-11946 Trade Hanrahan.  I think that the Pirates can find a serviciable closer in this group.  Closers value is overrated and the Pirates should be able to get a good everyday addition for Hanrahan.  I want to add that I like the Hammer and would love for the Pirates to keep him.  I just believe that he has better value in a trade.  Keep Grilli, Cruz, Resop, and Hughes.  Maybe Meek is healthy and can close. 

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