Comments on: Trade Values: A.J. Burnett and Garrett Jones http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/02/trade-values-a-j-burnett-and-garrett-jones.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Tue, 17 Jun 2014 07:50:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.3 By: Matt Beam http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/02/trade-values-a-j-burnett-and-garrett-jones.html#comment-12180 Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:18:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=25553#comment-12180 assume the Burnett projections are in the AL East, in the NL Central, I’m guessing 3.80 ERA and pitching 190-200 innings

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/02/trade-values-a-j-burnett-and-garrett-jones.html#comment-12167 Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:09:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=25553#comment-12167 The bucs need to make this deal. Burnett would shore up a questionable rotation and he is a workhorse type starter. Sure, he isn’t the pitcher he was a few years ago but he is still solid and a move to the NL and PNC Park will help his numbers. I like Jones but he is what he is…a role player. The fact that Jones has to platoon for the Pirates speaks volumes to his abilities. If the Yankees are willing to eat 50%+ of Burnetts salary then this should be a done deal……

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/02/trade-values-a-j-burnett-and-garrett-jones.html#comment-12160 Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:25:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=25553#comment-12160 Garrett Jones is better for the Yankees than he is for the Pirates.  The Yanks are over the barrell with Burnett’s salary.  The probably view Jones as a valuable piece to their team.  A left handed bat that can platoon in the outfield, 1st base and even DH.  Short right field porch, he will probably thrive in NY and the Yanks will pay him more than the Pirates and they won’t even blink an eye.  He won’t be counted on to be a starter, just a valuable cog in the machine.  The Pirates are on the welfare of the rest of the league, so anything valuable that they can get out of a average player will be good for the team.

If this deal does go through, paying more of Burnett’s salary to possibly get a decent prospect is a no brainer.  The Pirates have plenty of money to spend, they just choose to be thrifty.  Burnett, IMO, would be solid, eat some innings and will be the ace of the Pirates pathetic staff.  They should start Cole on the majorleague roster and have him in the rotation.

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By: John Lease http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/02/trade-values-a-j-burnett-and-garrett-jones.html#comment-12159 Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:30:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=25553#comment-12159 Garrett Jones is a fit for PNC, and Yankee Stadium.  I don’t like trading away the only power threat from the left hand side, unless the healing waters of the Allegheny suddenly transform Nate again.

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/02/trade-values-a-j-burnett-and-garrett-jones.html#comment-12158 Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:25:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=25553#comment-12158 To think that Jones is worthy of bringing in a top hitting prospect is to, as fans often do, overvalue our own player. There is no way that any prospect comes back in this scenario unless the Pirates send one back NY’s way and they pick up a lot more of the salary in return.

Jones has been slightly above replacement level in his 2+ seasons and appears to be a good guy. The biggest thing that he has going for him is that the Pirates don’t seem to be willing to try Hague at 1B from the start of the season.

On the other hand, Burnett is a solid middle of the rotation pitcher who would most likely benefit from a move back to the NL and having the majority of his starts being in PNC Park. Even in his last two seasons where his ERA was 5.20, he provided more value than Jones did (0.6 WAR vs Jones’ -0.1 WAR).

He gives you an anchor to rely on in the rotation (avg 194IP over the last 5 seasons) in a season where you have an oft-injured Bedard and a post-surgery Morton as your best pitchers.

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By: Brian Bernard http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/02/trade-values-a-j-burnett-and-garrett-jones.html#comment-12157 Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:44:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=25553#comment-12157 The interesting aspect of this potential deal to me is that there IS potential to get a prospect from the Yanks – but it has nothing to do with Jones – it is strictly about how much salary they ask the Yanks to pick up. Which if you think about it, is another very creative way to “draft” a prospect.
The Burnett for Jones is actually secondary to $ for prospect opportunity to me – I’d like to see the clubs negotiate a nice number for another impact prospect. If it takes $5-10-15 million to get a top 10 prospect then do it. How much $ does it take to get Dante Bichette Jr ?

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By: Anonymous http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/02/trade-values-a-j-burnett-and-garrett-jones.html#comment-12156 Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:44:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=25553#comment-12156 Jones is a 4th outfielder and a platoon player at 1st. He’s not particularly outstanding at eeither position. He can’t hit a LHP and doesn’t really rake vs. righties. He’s been a good story, but he’s 30 and getting expensive.

Burnett should improve in the NL. He’ll be in a weaker division than the Yankees face. To me, his biggest downfall is giving up too many HRs. Maybe PNC helps him there.

IMO, NH is bluffing, either for more payroll from the Yanks or a throw-in like Nate suggested.

This deal should happen soon.

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By: James S http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/02/trade-values-a-j-burnett-and-garrett-jones.html#comment-12155 Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:26:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=25553#comment-12155 I don’t know, reading between the lines it looks like The Pirates are not going to give up Jones period. I really wouldn’t blame them, they need every ounce of power hitting they can scrape up, especially if they don’t plan to bring any more power hitting onto the team.

When other teams look at the Pirates, Garrett Jones is always the guy they want. I think the fans seriously undervalue Jones. The best press & evaluation you can have on a player is how many other teams covet him.

The Pirates saying that they won’t give up Jones speaks volumes about their plans for getting any more power hitters. If they won’t give him up, they arent expecting any new additions either.
 

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/02/trade-values-a-j-burnett-and-garrett-jones.html#comment-12154 Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:45:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=25553#comment-12154 I’m not sure what type of prospect. It depends on how much the Yankees pay and what they’d want.

I don’t think the Pirates could get a top prospect in return. But possibly someone in the 11-20 range of the Yankees system. Both of the names you mentioned fit that description. But the Pirates would have to take on more salary for that, and I’m not sure how likely this scenario would be.

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By: Nate http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/02/trade-values-a-j-burnett-and-garrett-jones.html#comment-12153 Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:35:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=25553#comment-12153 If we kept Jones, what would the alternative trade options be?  
Gorkys and …

If we trade Jones, could we ask for a legit hitting prospect like you suggest?  

Personally, I like the idea of trading Jones, paying a LITTLE more of Burnett’s salary to get a decent prospect as well, and letting Hague get a crack at 1st. 
 
Tyler Austin (3B/ 20 yrs old) or Angelo Gumbs (2B/SS/19yrs old)??

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