Comments on: What Has The Fastball Academy Produced? http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/03/what-has-the-fastball-academy-produced.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Fri, 18 Apr 2014 02:48:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.3 By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/03/what-has-the-fastball-academy-produced.html#comment-13078 Wed, 07 Mar 2012 22:57:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=26375#comment-13078 No. I was thinking of later round picks. Always forget about Allie, since he’s not in the same class as the middle round prep pitchers.

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By: eeee12 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/03/what-has-the-fastball-academy-produced.html#comment-13077 Wed, 07 Mar 2012 22:54:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=26375#comment-13077  Did you exclude Allie on purpose?

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By: David Lewis http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/03/what-has-the-fastball-academy-produced.html#comment-13061 Wed, 07 Mar 2012 16:28:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=26375#comment-13061 What amazes me – but shouldn’t surprise me – is that the entire Fastball Academy approach is the way I learned to teach 10-12 year-olds in Little League how to pitch.  Throw fastballs and locate.  If you’re able to locate, miss bats by changing location.  If you’re able to change location, get more variation by changing grip (i.e., throw a four-seam fastball as well as a two-seam fastball).  Then change speeds by changing grip more (learn to throw a changeup as well as fastballs).

The fact that 18-year-old pitchers in professional baseball have to be retaught this is, to me, an indictment of junior baseball.  The kids who end up getting drafted are for the most part the freaks of nature who either dominated youth baseball because of their size or were able to throw breaking balls without destroying their arms, and therefore never learned how to command a fastball.

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By: anotherfastballclobberred http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/03/what-has-the-fastball-academy-produced.html#comment-13016 Tue, 06 Mar 2012 00:18:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=26375#comment-13016  The “fastball academy” is a joke, instead of teaching the kids to pitch, to throw all pitches with consistency with respect to delivery so that they aren’t  tipped, to get these kids to realize they cant win by fastballs alone and to allow these kids to get momentum, get that chip on their shoulder, let them dominate and learn how to set hitters up and get guys out when they dont have their best stuff.

 That is how young pitchers develop!!!!!

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By: Nate http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/03/what-has-the-fastball-academy-produced.html#comment-12961 Sun, 04 Mar 2012 05:29:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=26375#comment-12961 No one is expecting the major league team to be overflowing with 22-year-old starters.  But at least have a couple high ceiling arms touching AA last year… none.  Sure Taillon and Cole will excel, they probably don’t need the fastball academy.  

I don’t think anyone here has anyone has validated NH’s approach, or showed that it’s working.  Sure, it makes sense, but is it working at an better developmental rate than “other” approaches, or in the absence of it?  That’s the question and I don’t see the “yes” answer being presented well at all.  

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By: Nate http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/03/what-has-the-fastball-academy-produced.html#comment-12959 Sun, 04 Mar 2012 04:19:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=26375#comment-12959 If a college senior pitcher was drafted, fans would likely give him 2 years to get to the majors.
Then why would they expect a prep pitcher to get to the majors in 3 or 4 years?  4 years of minor league ball would be the time equivalent of being a college senior, plus the two more years and your looking at 6 years for a prep pitcher.   And yet…everyone expects it to happen in 3 or 4 years.  Those expectations ARE unrealistic. 

A prep pitcher drafted at the age or 18 would only be 22 yrs old 4 yrs in.  I’m sure most other major league teams are just overflowing with great 22 yr old pitchers in the majors…aren’t they?

Look, my patience is as tested as anyone else’s, but at least be real about it.

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By: Nate http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/03/what-has-the-fastball-academy-produced.html#comment-12957 Sun, 04 Mar 2012 00:21:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=26375#comment-12957 Tim, I agree with you – to an extent – but saying the expectations are unrealistic is a bit overboard.  NH is in his 5th year.  Justin Hughes is the only draftee to make it to Pittsburgh.  Is there even a single high-end prospect in AA?  

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By: Nate http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/03/what-has-the-fastball-academy-produced.html#comment-12955 Sun, 04 Mar 2012 00:15:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=26375#comment-12955 Cocktails:  You’re right, it was a great article.  I think most fans understand the “why”, they may just be frustrated with a perceived lack of results (however that may be defined), lack of clear understanding of how other organizations (esp. successful ones) develop pitchers in the low minors, and in my opinion, a perceived lack of development of 2/3/4 pitches especially considering many guys aren’t flame-throwers and will have to rely on the development and usage of non-fastball offerings to have success at the major league level.

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By: Nate http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/03/what-has-the-fastball-academy-produced.html#comment-12954 Sun, 04 Mar 2012 00:11:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=26375#comment-12954 Cam:  If your philsophy is hope (with respect to pitching development), then you’ve already lost.  You could make the argument that Littlefield “produced” (not drafted) better pitching prospects 4+ years in with Maholm and Gorzo, and got Duke to develop well as a 20th rounder.  Maybe I’m missing something, but I think most people are underwhelmed at the lack of drafted major league pitching talent 4-5 years in.

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By: pirates21 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/03/what-has-the-fastball-academy-produced.html#comment-12952 Sat, 03 Mar 2012 22:32:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=26375#comment-12952 yay

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