Comments on: Cain Pitches One-Hit Shutout Against Pirates http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/04/cain-pitches-one-hit-shutout-against-pirates.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Wed, 12 Nov 2014 17:17:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.0 By: REM http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/04/cain-pitches-one-hit-shutout-against-pirates.html#comment-14244 Sat, 14 Apr 2012 16:57:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=28769#comment-14244 I  Wouldn’t Be So mad if Huntingdon wasn’t so freaking smug this off season with his acquisitions. Go back to the now infamous Pompeani interview on 93.7 The Fan. When he was challenged with a roster that any fan with half a brain could see was a weaker lineup Huntingdon became indignant. Right now this offensively challenged team is giving up 9 of their 27 outs before the game starts has virtually no chance to compete. This in turn causes their pitching, which has been good, to try to be perfect throughout a game. It’s a prescription that is destined to fail in the long term. However, even the most optimistic fan couldn’t have expected it so soon. This is virtually the same team that tanked in the second half of last season.

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By: Pittcat90 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/04/cain-pitches-one-hit-shutout-against-pirates.html#comment-14235 Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:18:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=28769#comment-14235 Given that the prevailing wisdom seems to be that having a near-perfect game tossed against us means we can’t hit and are a terrible team, I did a little perfect-game research.  Please note, none of this is intended to predict the Pirates’ success this year, but it may alleviate some panic.

Of the 16 perfect games thrown since the end of the “dead ball” era, 7 were done against teams with winning records, including 5 against teams with 90+ wins for the season.  Of particular note is, of course, the 1956 Brooklyn Dodgers (WS), but the 1988 LA Dodgers were WS winners and perfectoed that year.  Seven of the perfect games were thrown against teams with 90+ losses.

Only one of the games was thrown against a team that finished last in its league in batting average, the 1981 Toronto Blue Jays.  Some of the teams were quite strong offensively including the 2004 Braves (.270 BA/.343 OBP), the 2009 Rays (.263/.343), and the 1998 Twins (.266/.308) .  Special mention goes to the 1922 Tigers, who had season averages of .306/.373 and some guy named Cobb who hit .401, but still had a perfect game pitched against them.

As a couple of other notes that I thought were interesting: Since the beginning of the DH rule (1973), there have been 6 perfect games thrown in the AL and only 4 in the NL, which was the opposite of what I expected.  Of the all-time 20 perfect games, only 5 have been thrown by current HOFers (Addie Joss, Cy Young, Catfish Hunter, Jim Bunning, and Sandy Koufax) although Randy Johnson and Roy Halladay will likely add to those numbers when their names become available.  A lot more perfect games have been thrown by guys with names like Braden and Clyde than by the immortals of the mound.

Again, this isn’t to say everything is okay, it’s simply to suggest that one game (even in the midst of a REALLY bad hitting week) shouldn’t be extrapolated to a full-season of futility.

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By: leadoff http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/04/cain-pitches-one-hit-shutout-against-pirates.html#comment-14230 Sat, 14 Apr 2012 14:24:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=28769#comment-14230 It is still very early, only 7 games, not a season, only 1 pitcher that would not be considered an ace makes it tough to get on track, my only fear is that trying to hit great pitching as much as they are is messing with these guys minds, no one is going to tell me that 5 or 6 of these guys are below .200 hitters, when they hit and they will, the offense will not look so bad and believe me the offense looks bad, no sugar coating here.

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By: dropkickmurphys http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/04/cain-pitches-one-hit-shutout-against-pirates.html#comment-14222 Sat, 14 Apr 2012 11:30:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=28769#comment-14222 Word gets around the league fast.  I think the answer is two.

I said it in the off season, the Pirates need offense.  But many defended the idea that young pitchers, ground ball pitchers need good defense to protect their fragile psyche.  If you polled Pirate pitchers right now, I think run support would poll pretty highly as something they want most.

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By: John Lease http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/04/cain-pitches-one-hit-shutout-against-pirates.html#comment-14218 Sat, 14 Apr 2012 08:59:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=28769#comment-14218 One hit, not too good.  Presley, McGehee, McCutchen are the only guys hitting.  3 hitters on a team, really not too good.  77 more losses for 20th straight losing seasons.  Seems pretty doable.

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By: yahoo-PWKX7NGGFUC6OLVSUZ4LBDYJNU http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/04/cain-pitches-one-hit-shutout-against-pirates.html#comment-14217 Sat, 14 Apr 2012 05:49:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=28769#comment-14217 This offense is pathetic.  Shouldn’t surprise anyone though given that the our only “improvements” over last seasons team was that Doumit was replaced by Barajas and Cedeno was replaced by Barmes.  Both Barajas and Cedeno were two guys who were extreme pull hitters whose power gets sucked away by PNC’s huge dimensions.  We don’t want to talk about that now though do we? 

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By: salempirate http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/04/cain-pitches-one-hit-shutout-against-pirates.html#comment-14216 Sat, 14 Apr 2012 05:08:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=28769#comment-14216 When was the last time a pitcher not only led his team in hits but had more hits than all position players combined. Thanks JMac for saving this terrible hitting team from going into the history books losing to a perfect game pitcher.

Those pitchers realize they have to do it all.

Very early but looks like there’s a possibility the GM worked his magic again getting his veteran clubhouse fit with Barmes and Rod.

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By: James Vargo http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/04/cain-pitches-one-hit-shutout-against-pirates.html#comment-14212 Sat, 14 Apr 2012 02:36:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=28769#comment-14212 I look forward to the minor league box scores these days. It’s the only time these guys will play well, because when they come up, they stink. Building thru the draft is a grueling high-risk gamble, even more when you key on pitching. Will the Buccos turn it around? Who knows. But this, as did spring training, demonstrates the lack of talent we have.   

Can’t wait until they get back home — but will they be 2-10 by then? 

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By: Randy Linville http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/04/cain-pitches-one-hit-shutout-against-pirates.html#comment-14211 Sat, 14 Apr 2012 02:17:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=28769#comment-14211 Which came first the chicken or the egg?
1. Pirates hitters are not patient and therefore swing at everything
or
2. Opposing pitchers pound strike zone because they don’t fear anyone in the lineup

Either way the offense has gotten off to a very ugly start. 

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By: John DiVito http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/04/cain-pitches-one-hit-shutout-against-pirates.html#comment-14210 Sat, 14 Apr 2012 02:16:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=28769#comment-14210 We are seven games into the season… please, relax.  If things are still this bad in May, then you can light the torches.

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