Comments on: Pirates Inquired about Shin-Soo Choo http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/07/pirates-inquired-about-shin-soo-choo.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Sun, 27 Jul 2014 08:35:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.1 By: PiratesFan http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/07/pirates-inquired-about-shin-soo-choo.html#comment-18359 Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:29:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=37826#comment-18359 I never claimed otherwise. I never said Choo couldn’t play LF in PNC Park, I was just telling the first guy that he can play RF.

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By: Dave Parker's Unfiltered Camel http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/07/pirates-inquired-about-shin-soo-choo.html#comment-18357 Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:22:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=37826#comment-18357 Trading Marte for Choo may make you better today, but it’s not enough, because the move still keeps Jones in the outfield and McGehee at first. You still have a defensive liability in the outfield and an offensive liability at first. If you want to improve the team, you need a solid offensive contributor in the outfield added to Marte and Cutch. Jones moves to first ans Casey to the bench. Otherwise, you’re stuck with Presley out there who isn’t getting it done with the bat.

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By: paulinpittsburgh http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/07/pirates-inquired-about-shin-soo-choo.html#comment-18355 Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:49:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=37826#comment-18355 First, the lead off hitter on any team is also the hitter who is guaranteed to have the most plate appearances in any single game and over the course of an entire season.. so yeah based on that alone you would like you most productive player also be the player who’s going to get the greatest number opportunities to be productive. That said of course there are very productive hitters that wouldn’t be a good fit there but McCutchen isn’t one of them. He walks plenty, hits for high average and has the speed and base stealing skills that can be useful in the top spot.

Sure you’d guarantee he’s come to base once with nobody on base but with the current crop of players that’s been leading off that’s essentially the case anyway. But how nice would it be for the game to begin with a home run from his bat? Nice, but more importantly than that with his on base percentage and the walks McGehee and Walker accumulate when they hitting in the right spot in the order it would mean a power guy like Choo would come to bat in the first inning of every game with at least one guy on base 80% of the time, two guys on 60% of the time and with his own on base percentage create shocking amounts of opportunities for the number four hitter to have bases loaded nobody outs or two on and only one out. Here’s a lineup analyzing tool, plug in those four guys in the top three spots and look at the number of runs the team scores versus any other combination you can put in there with McCutchen hitting third and what the Pirates currently have.

http://www.baseballmusings.com/cgi-bin/LineupAnalysis.py?

The mathematical realities of having four guys with .380 or higher on base percentages hitting in the first three spots simply can’t be disputed. Those lineups would result in the Pirates beginning every game scoring at least one run the first inning in an overwhelming majority of games and that’s a nice way to start.

And I’m not giving up on Marte after so few bats, not discounting him at all. I’m not sold on him as a being an impact player now or in the future based on the large number of at bats he has in the minors and a team serious about making the play offs can ill afford to wait and see what their prospects are going to do at the major leagues.

There’s a time for calling up minor leaguers and giving them their chance and three games out of first heading to August is not the time.

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By: John DiVito http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/07/pirates-inquired-about-shin-soo-choo.html#comment-18353 Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:15:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=37826#comment-18353 Three problems with your lineup… #1 and most glaring… McCutchen at leadoff, seriously? The most dangerous hitter in MLB right now and you want him guaranteed to have one at bat per game with no one on base… wow.

Second, Garrett Jones is NOT an adequate defensive RF. He needs to be platooning with McGehee at 1B.

Also, don’t give up on Marte after so few ABs. Don’t forget, he hit a HR in his first AB and has battled well so far. Also, his defense is excellent and would be tough to replace.

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By: szielinski http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/07/pirates-inquired-about-shin-soo-choo.html#comment-18352 Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:10:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=37826#comment-18352 There is no guarantee the Pirates will make the post season this year with or without Choo. None.

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By: paulinpittsburgh http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/07/pirates-inquired-about-shin-soo-choo.html#comment-18351 Mon, 30 Jul 2012 12:56:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=37826#comment-18351 My guess is that it would take Marte and a major league reliever to land Choo and that’s would be a fair deal for the Pirates.

And the chances of Marte ever developing into a play like Choo are virtually non-existent. Not to say he can’t develop into a productive hitter at some point but Choo walks a ton, has consistent home run power and has excellent command of the hitting zone.

Marte to this point exhibits none of these qualities and his value is predicated on his ability to hit for high average and use his speed to stretch single into doubles and doubles into triples … something that is more difficult to do consistently in the majors and as players age and lose the speed.

He might figure out how to walk more, cut down his strike outs and hit for power but nothing so far suggests he will.

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By: paulinpittsburgh http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/07/pirates-inquired-about-shin-soo-choo.html#comment-18350 Mon, 30 Jul 2012 12:47:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=37826#comment-18350 Such an evaluation could only be made in hindsight with Marte’s production over those years used to evaluate him.

At this moment we know what Choo is and what he’d bring to the team while we can only speculate at what Marte will be over the next six years.

The trade might be a year and a half of Choo and two playoff appearance at the cost of what ends up being a 6 years of something from Marte, nothing from Marte or something in between.

Right now an objective assessment of Marte’s future in the majors says it’s more likely to end up like Brad Eldred’s than Andrew McCutchen’s and for the same reason: inability to control the strike zone. Eldred’s home runs were a sight to behold, just as Marte’s triples are exciting to see but when they amount to 1/10th of the outs they’re producing they’re not helping the offense.

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By: paulinpittsburgh http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/07/pirates-inquired-about-shin-soo-choo.html#comment-18348 Mon, 30 Jul 2012 12:39:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=37826#comment-18348 Pence would be a terrible acquisition for the Pirates at any price. Pence, like Justin Upton, Shane Victorino and several other right handed hitters mentioned in rumors so far, simply lack the power to overcome the dimensions of PNC Park which hurts all but the most powerful right handed hitters.

The Pirates need left handed power and walks and if you see Pence, Upton or Victorino in a Pirates uniform soon you might as well start dreaming of what might have been.

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By: paulinpittsburgh http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/07/pirates-inquired-about-shin-soo-choo.html#comment-18347 Mon, 30 Jul 2012 12:30:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=37826#comment-18347 Of course they do and trying divine some value in player base on anything else precisely why the Pirates have struggled to produce their own major league hitting talent.

Marte’s walk rate and walk to strike out rate are very poor this season and only slightly changed from previous seasons and a strong indicator that he won’t make a smooth transition to the major leagues any time soon.

Just as Brad Eldred what happens to a hitter who maintains rates like these when they have to face the higher quality of major league pitching day in and day out. Marte may yet develop some of the skills he needs to succeed but there’s no guarantee he will and it’s not going to happen this season against those same major league pitchers.

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By: paulinpittsburgh http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/07/pirates-inquired-about-shin-soo-choo.html#comment-18344 Mon, 30 Jul 2012 12:20:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=37826#comment-18344 Presley, like many Pirates hitting prospects including Marte, does not have enough pop to make up for the fact that he can’t control the strike zone and makes far too many outs. That’s far to many outs to be considered a productive hitter anywhere in the lineup and far, FAR to many outs to be considered legitimate options at the lead off spot.

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