Comments on: First Pitch: Why Do Bad Pirates Hitters Become All-Stars Elsewhere? http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/first-pitch-why-do-bad-pirates-hitters-become-all-stars-elsewhere.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Sat, 12 Apr 2014 22:51:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.2 By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/first-pitch-why-do-bad-pirates-hitters-become-all-stars-elsewhere.html#comment-20194 Sun, 16 Sep 2012 04:15:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=41804#comment-20194 It’s the same theme in that it’s all talking about hitters. I’m currently writing a hitting article for tonight. I’ll probably reference these two articles, saying that we’ve been talking about hitting a lot this week. But other than the fact that it’s the same subject, there’s nothing deeper to read in to and no connection being drawn.

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By: RandyLinville http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/first-pitch-why-do-bad-pirates-hitters-become-all-stars-elsewhere.html#comment-20193 Sun, 16 Sep 2012 04:08:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=41804#comment-20193 to beat ‘em Buccos! – i think ‘heaping buckets of fail’ is a bit much. I think you are being overly tough on Tim.

Tim, why did you link the two posts if you aren’t meaning for this post to be a variation on the same theme?

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By: Adam http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/first-pitch-why-do-bad-pirates-hitters-become-all-stars-elsewhere.html#comment-20172 Sat, 15 Sep 2012 18:56:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=41804#comment-20172 Nobody cried when Moss left because everyone wrote him off after one bad season. And because of that one season, we ignored what he did in AAA the following year. Just like the Pirates will likely do with Clement after this season. At least the Phils have better players to replace Moss on their roster. The Pirates don’t, which is why I believe they need to show more patience.

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/first-pitch-why-do-bad-pirates-hitters-become-all-stars-elsewhere.html#comment-20169 Sat, 15 Sep 2012 18:03:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=41804#comment-20169 It links them together, but it doesn’t link any arguments. You’re making that connection.

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By: beat 'em Buccos! http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/first-pitch-why-do-bad-pirates-hitters-become-all-stars-elsewhere.html#comment-20168 Sat, 15 Sep 2012 17:59:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=41804#comment-20168 Linking to an article does, though, by definition, link those two articles together. And one of those articles was a defense of Huntington.

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/first-pitch-why-do-bad-pirates-hitters-become-all-stars-elsewhere.html#comment-20167 Sat, 15 Sep 2012 17:38:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=41804#comment-20167 Linking to an article isn’t a defense of anyone.

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By: beat 'em Buccos! http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/first-pitch-why-do-bad-pirates-hitters-become-all-stars-elsewhere.html#comment-20166 Sat, 15 Sep 2012 17:20:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=41804#comment-20166 To sum up, you (that’s right, you) linked this article to another one and are now claiming that the two articles are unrelated. You didn’t link it as an aside at the bottom of the article. You linked to it within the context of describing this ‘important topic to discuss’. But now you claim that they are unrelated. Yep, that makes 100% perfect sense. These two articles have absolutely nothing to do with one another. You just decided to link them together for fun.

To top it off, you now claim that I’m the one making a you know what of myself. Nice. Thanks for insulting a visitor to the site. Much appreciated. Seriously, who goes out of their way to insult their readers right to their face?
Portions of your article defending Huntington (I agree with most of it, but certainly defending his record on acquiring bats is way off), your resulting comments in that article, this article and the ensuing comments from you are all heaping buckets of fail. You combine that with your lack of knowledge about Andy Van Slyke and with insulting someone who is merely trying to have a civil discussion about baseball and the result is your credibility has taken an enormous gaping shot to the hull.

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/first-pitch-why-do-bad-pirates-hitters-become-all-stars-elsewhere.html#comment-20164 Sat, 15 Sep 2012 15:38:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=41804#comment-20164 To sum it up, I said something in one article, and for that reason you assume every other article I write talking about hitters is secretly a defense of Huntington? You know what happens when you assume.

Did you notice in this article I said that this could be Huntington’s fault? If I’m defending Huntington, that’s a bad way to do it. Or maybe this has nothing to do with defending Huntington at all.

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By: beat 'em Buccos! http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/first-pitch-why-do-bad-pirates-hitters-become-all-stars-elsewhere.html#comment-20162 Sat, 15 Sep 2012 15:32:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=41804#comment-20162 I’m glad you found my comment entertaining. I find your lack of ability to waive a white flag when surrounded to be entertaining in a ‘can’t take my eyes off a train wreck’ kind of way.

Above you wrote ‘Point to me where I said “See, Neal Huntington can recognize hitting talent. But sometimes the hitters aren’t good in Pittsburgh.” ‘

Back in your initial defense of not firing Huntington, you wrote: ‘The next argument is usually that he is good at adding pitchers, but can’t add hitters. Take a look at the stats. The number one hitter on the team is Andrew McCutchen, who Huntington didn’t add. But look at the second and third best OPS numbers on the team. There’s Garrett Jones, who was signed as a minor league free agent, and retained even after posting a .720 and .753 OPS the last two years. Then there’s Pedro Alvarez, who was drafted second overall in 2008. And once again, there’s Michael McKenry, who was added for cash and has an .829 OPS (why isn’t he starting again?).’

I believe this paragraph above is a defense of Huntington’s talent at finding bats. If you aren’t claiming he has capably filled the roster with an adequate level of hitting talent, then why wouldn’t your response be, ‘Yep, I agree, Huntington has not done a great job of putting together a good offense’ or something along those lines. You are either defending him as doing a good job or you are not acknowledging that he has done a poor job (or that he hasn’t done a good job for the most part if you don’t like to make a blanket statement). Either way, that paragraph reads like you are defending his ability to procure hitting talent.

This whole post about hitters becoming all-stars is how sometimes the hitters that stink up PNC wind up with good numbers elsewhere. I’m not reading into something that isn’t here. I’m connecting the dots:

You either defended (or didn’t critique to an appropriate level) Huntington’s job pulling in hitters in a previous post and then, while referencing that previous discussion on his ability to bring in bats, wrote this post where you point out that some guys that were bad here have been good elsewhere. So, you – by linking in the other post – have combined the two thoughts together: ‘Here’s more proof that Huntington does see hitting talent. But for some reason the hitters have success elsewhere.’

That’s what I see without reading into anything. You’re continuing to defend Huntington’s poor record by pointing out that he’s found good hitters that for some unknown reason aren’t good in Pittsburgh. You can act like that’s not the case. Yet, you’ve left behind all the evidence like a mediocre criminal.

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/first-pitch-why-do-bad-pirates-hitters-become-all-stars-elsewhere.html#comment-20159 Sat, 15 Sep 2012 14:29:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=41804#comment-20159 That could be possible. Although even if the Pirates weren’t struggling, I think we’d still notice it. Hard to miss five players being surprise stories on their respective teams, and all five players being let go for nothing by the Pirates in the last 2-3 years.

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