Comments on: Pirates Exploring How Karstens Fits in the Picture http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/pirates-exploring-how-karstens-fits-in-the-picture.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Sat, 14 Jun 2014 10:20:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.3 By: RandyLinville http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/pirates-exploring-how-karstens-fits-in-the-picture.html#comment-20927 Mon, 01 Oct 2012 20:46:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=42601#comment-20927 Also, if both Karstens and Hanrahan leave the club due to salary, that means going into 2013 this team will have the following players left from when NH dismantled the team:

Tabata
Morton
Harrison
Morris
Locke
DCutch
Fryer
Clement
Alderson, Pribanic and Strickland in the minors

Does anyone think NH got fair value when he turned over the roster? I would hope not. The poor job he did in making trades in 2008 and 2009 absolutely crippled this team over the last couple of years.

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By: RandyLinville http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/pirates-exploring-how-karstens-fits-in-the-picture.html#comment-20897 Mon, 01 Oct 2012 11:23:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=42601#comment-20897 Karstens 2.3 WAR (baseball-reference.com) in 2011 is tied with Hanrahan’s 2011 season as the top mark among all the players NH got when he turned over the roster.

So, if the player with the best individual performance among those acquired in the roster shakeup can’t make the team, I think one of the three is true (and maybe more than one):
1. The roster shakeup didn’t result in much value
2. Nutting is cheap
3. NH has acquired so many other quality players since the roster shakeup that Karstens isn’t valuable anymore

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By: Ian Rothermund http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/pirates-exploring-how-karstens-fits-in-the-picture.html#comment-20894 Mon, 01 Oct 2012 03:10:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=42601#comment-20894 *before 1986

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By: Ian Rothermund http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/pirates-exploring-how-karstens-fits-in-the-picture.html#comment-20893 Mon, 01 Oct 2012 03:08:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=42601#comment-20893 I loved the comment about tall and lean pitchers. Tall and lean could describe about every pitcher wrote 1986. There have always been those big, thick guy out there on the mound, but baseball players in general were lighter in the past. I think that lent itself to longevity more than a lot of these gym freaks that are around nowadays would let on. Also, I think the players in the past simply focussed more on general athletic endurance and calesthenics. It seems like most players now have an extra 10-15 pounds that they wouldn’t have had a generation ago.

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By: ElGaupo77 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/pirates-exploring-how-karstens-fits-in-the-picture.html#comment-20892 Mon, 01 Oct 2012 02:22:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=42601#comment-20892 Huntington is all about shared risk. Arbitration would be the majority of the risk on the Pirates, DFA is the other extreme. How about a 2yr/$8M deal? He turns in two 3 WAR seasons and it would be a screaming deal but would kill you if he throws 100 innings in the two years.

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By: Bob Hungerman http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/pirates-exploring-how-karstens-fits-in-the-picture.html#comment-20891 Mon, 01 Oct 2012 02:12:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=42601#comment-20891 I think that when Karstens has been healthy and has pitched enough to get in the groove, he has often been the Pirates best and most consistent starter. He might need a special training program to avoid injuries. He also has to learn to let the team know when he is injured, and not try to pitch through it.

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