Comments on: Prospect Notebook: Farm System Evaluation, Instructional League Reports http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/prospect-notebook-farm-system-evaluation-instructional-league-reports.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Wed, 16 Apr 2014 13:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.3 By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/prospect-notebook-farm-system-evaluation-instructional-league-reports.html#comment-20827 Fri, 28 Sep 2012 13:28:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=42332#comment-20827 Badler had a similar comment, which I linked in this article. I’d agree with him. They’ve added some talent through the draft, but it’s definitely been more consistent on the international front.

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By: RandyLinville http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/prospect-notebook-farm-system-evaluation-instructional-league-reports.html#comment-20820 Fri, 28 Sep 2012 11:31:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=42332#comment-20820 I thought Badler and DK had an interesting twitter exchange. DK clearly isn’t happy that the Pirates minor league system is so highly regard. So, (not sure how to properly quote Twitter), he asked:

@BenBadler Also, do you know of another team in baseball where, if you count Marte, half of top eight prospects are from Latin America?

Badler’s response was:
@Dejan_Kovacevic Probably not. Speaks well of their Latin program, not so well of their ability to ID talent (draft, trades) consistently.

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By: John Lease http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/prospect-notebook-farm-system-evaluation-instructional-league-reports.html#comment-20591 Tue, 25 Sep 2012 23:29:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=42332#comment-20591 Tell you what, do you want me to ask Dejan to give you a list? Is seeing the most important thing? What happens to beloved ‘metrics’ then. Actually, plenty of informed people are saying the Pirate system is a joke. I’ll link Dejan’s article if you’d like. Marte signed by whom? Neil, or Dave Littlefield? Guys in A ball, sure things? Kingham, improved over short season ball this year in Low A, or not?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=kingha001nic
Not by the metrics.
Tyler Glasnow did pitch ONE game in short season A ball. In this, his first year actually playing. Holmes made it thru a whole season in State College! Pitched very well too. Kyle McPherson shot thru the system that was supposedly ‘stocked’ this year. He’s been like the second coming of Dwight Gooden, not. Holt, hit well in Bradenton, repeated AA this year and hit well, stayed hot in AAA, and has hit well in the majors. Yet, his fielding is so suspect, according to you, he shouldn’t get a shot at playing short over Mr. UZR, also known as Clint Barmes. Hanson hit well in A ball, at a young age too. WIth all his speed though, still got thrown out over a third of the time, in A ball. Great training down there on the farm. Polanco hit well on the same team, turned himself into a prospect after hitting .229 overall last year. Not exactly a sure thing either.

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By: John Lease http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/prospect-notebook-farm-system-evaluation-instructional-league-reports.html#comment-20589 Tue, 25 Sep 2012 23:13:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=42332#comment-20589 Ah, fans and bloggers. And all the people working for other systems that find the Pirates laughable? Must be fans too, huh?

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By: John Lease http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/prospect-notebook-farm-system-evaluation-instructional-league-reports.html#comment-20588 Tue, 25 Sep 2012 23:12:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=42332#comment-20588 Really? GIve me an example.

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/prospect-notebook-farm-system-evaluation-instructional-league-reports.html#comment-20568 Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:53:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=42332#comment-20568 These are getting to be common, and tired, arguments.

1. Who are the hundreds of people saying the farm system isn’t good? How many of them have seen any of these prospects? I don’t think anyone informed is saying the Pirates have a bad system.

2. The “they pick at the top of the draft, so they would have good players” doesn’t apply. Some of their top guys are guys who were low cost international free agents, or middle round picks. On the pitching side there’s Nick Kingham (4th round), Tyler Glasnow (5th round), and Clay Holmes (9th round) to name a few. Alen Hanson ($150 K) and Gregory Polanco ($75 K) were both low cost international guys. A lot of the prospects cracking the majors now were in the same mold. Kyle McPherson was a 14th round pick. Starling Marte was signed for $85 K. Brock Holt was a 9th round pick. So clearly this isn’t a situation where the only good players came from drafting in the first few picks.

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By: sammykhalifa http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/prospect-notebook-farm-system-evaluation-instructional-league-reports.html#comment-20565 Tue, 25 Sep 2012 13:22:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=42332#comment-20565 Haha, you say that and then cherry-pick the reports that fit YOUR view . . .

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By: john.alcorn http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/prospect-notebook-farm-system-evaluation-instructional-league-reports.html#comment-20561 Tue, 25 Sep 2012 12:19:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=42332#comment-20561 The fact that the “hundreds of opposing views” come from random bloggers and yinzer fans doesn’t help. Badler at BA is one of the very top authorities and every late season prospect report rated our system highly. Callis at BA said our system is one of the most improved.

Hey don’t let facts get in the way of Kovacevic’s smoke and mirror rantings.

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By: John Lease http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/prospect-notebook-farm-system-evaluation-instructional-league-reports.html#comment-20558 Tue, 25 Sep 2012 10:26:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=42332#comment-20558 I guess you can always find someone to support your position, if you look hard enough. The hundreds of opposing views, just background noise. If you pick players, some will pan out, no matter what ‘system’ you use. And if you are picking at the top of the draft constantly, you better have more than just the residual amount you’ll have no matter what. But the Pirates will be ready to win all brawls in the future, with their combat training. The old Pirates won fights too, by having guys who were big, mean, and could actually play baseball.

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By: buccotime57 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/prospect-notebook-farm-system-evaluation-instructional-league-reports.html#comment-20547 Tue, 25 Sep 2012 02:45:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=42332#comment-20547 Thank you…with the recent failure of the MLB club people for some reason have decided to declare our system a failure…the system is producing talent…the bigger issue i have is not utilizing our system when it is time too…when guys are ready they dont call them up..like this year with morris, locke, wilson, and owens. I still think its hurdle like why on Gods name is he not starting marte…the season is over from a playoffs standpoint…give him some ABs..how is giving presley ABS going to do anything for next year???…

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