Comments on: Spikes Didn’t Offer Demands For Player Development http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/spikes-didnt-offer-demands-for-player-development.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Wed, 30 Jul 2014 22:55:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.1 By: John Lease http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/spikes-didnt-offer-demands-for-player-development.html#comment-20429 Fri, 21 Sep 2012 21:00:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=42089#comment-20429 They were in State College, for goodness sakes. They also were in Williamsport for a long time. Morgantown just bleeds fans from Pittsburgh. If the current turmoil gets Kyle Stark fired, well at least that’s a silver lining. He is SO unqualified, it should mean Neil’s job too. I want REAL player development, not psychobabble and Seal training.

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By: buccotime57 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/spikes-didnt-offer-demands-for-player-development.html#comment-20385 Fri, 21 Sep 2012 00:40:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=42089#comment-20385 This new facility would be a massive improvement to the organization (jamestown is not a good facility)..the younger players would be closer to pittsburgh and if someone was promoted or demoted they would be closer to charlestown…it would also be under the control of the pirates…i am often jealous of clevelands system that is all in ohio except one(niles, akron, columbus, lake county)..morgantown would be close so people who were interested would go…do u have a differnt suggestion of somewhere to go? I mean washington/erie would be good but i am not sure it is possible.

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By: John Lease http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/spikes-didnt-offer-demands-for-player-development.html#comment-20382 Thu, 20 Sep 2012 20:48:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=42089#comment-20382 And, it’s in the state of West Virginia. Along with Charleston. What, Wheeling need a team too? It adds to the travel budget to the NY PENN league, and adds to travel time. Who wants to make the bus trips longer? People in Morgantown can go to Pittsburgh.

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By: buccotime57 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/spikes-didnt-offer-demands-for-player-development.html#comment-20352 Thu, 20 Sep 2012 02:40:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=42089#comment-20352 morgantown is only and hour an twenty away from pittsburgh..a lot of pittsburgh citizens go to WVU..it would generate a lot of fan interest…

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By: buccotime57 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/spikes-didnt-offer-demands-for-player-development.html#comment-20351 Thu, 20 Sep 2012 02:35:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=42089#comment-20351 Now if the pirates moved them to morgantown would that become the permanent home for the pirates…would they have to buy the jammers… do they own the marauders? It was my understanding they bought them and moved them…Do MLB teams own some minor league teams..i know most are independently owned

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By: John Lease http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/spikes-didnt-offer-demands-for-player-development.html#comment-20349 Thu, 20 Sep 2012 00:46:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=42089#comment-20349 Morgantown? ANOTHER team in West Virginia? Great. I wish they’d feel a little more loyalty to the state they are in, rather than the owners home state. And that will make the travel that much more expensive, at least Jamestown is closer to the rest of the NY Penn league. Note that West Virginia isn’t in the name.

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/spikes-didnt-offer-demands-for-player-development.html#comment-20336 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:24:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=42089#comment-20336 There might be a reason Biertempfel changed it then.

I’ve never seen those types of comments either. But then again, you don’t usually hear comments from minor league affiliates. It’s usually just an announcement when the deal is extended, or when the two sides split.

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By: wtmiller http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/spikes-didnt-offer-demands-for-player-development.html#comment-20335 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:15:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=42089#comment-20335 “The Spikes were never trying to influence the player development side.”

Biertempfel’s original post indicated otherwise. And I can’t imagine why he’d throw in comments about pitch counts and innings limits if whoever he was talking to didn’t bring it up.

As for Dambach’s comments in June, I’ve never seen anything like that from a minor league affiliate. Coonelly told Corey Giger that those comments changed the Pirates’ thinking, and understandably so.

http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/content.detail/id/564322/The-strange-tale-of-how-the-Pirates-Spikes-affiliation-ended.html?nav=751

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/spikes-didnt-offer-demands-for-player-development.html#comment-20333 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:44:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=42089#comment-20333 I don’t think that’s necessarily on player development. I think you can develop players and still win. The development approach in State College isn’t really much different from the GCL, West Virginia, or Bradenton. West Virginia has been losing, but the other two teams have won, even with the same approach.

There were complaints about winning, but I don’t think you need to sacrifice player development to win. If you want to guarantee a winner, then you probably have to do that. But there were never any comments saying they wanted a guaranteed winner. Just that they weren’t satisfied with the lack of winning, and would consider other options.

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By: wtmiller http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/09/spikes-didnt-offer-demands-for-player-development.html#comment-20332 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:38:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=42089#comment-20332 Just to get the facts, here were Dambach’s comments:

“We’re not one of these ownership groups that demands a winner every single year, but we haven’t even put playoff tickets on sale,” Spikes general manager Jason Dambach said. “We’ve never really even come close to the playoffs.

“So the mandate has been put out there. We didn’t have a good team last year, and so it really doesn’t make any sense to re-sign with the Pirates until September, if we are to do that.”

http://altoonamirror.com/page/content.detail/id/561324/Tired-of-losing–Spikes-considering-ending-affiliation-with-Pirates.html?nav=751

That’s most definitely a complaint about player development. And I’ll add that an affiliate ripping the parent organization in the media for not winning enough is something I’ve never seen before or since.

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