Comments on: First Pitch: McCutchen Wasn’t the Pirate That Deserved a Gold Glove

By: Thom Kay

Thom Kay — Wed, 31 Oct 2012 19:46:44 +0000

Tim, I 100% agree.

Agree on the value of UZR, on the performances of McCutchen and Barmes, of the bias towards hitters.

I would add that UZR becomes a much more useful metric if you can get a three year average for a player. Rollins has consistently been above average, so I don’t hate that. McCutchen, CarGo, and Adam Jones are the real duds. Completely undeserved.

By: Richard Ya'Zhynka

Richard Ya'Zhynka — Wed, 31 Oct 2012 19:16:03 +0000

Here’s the link to Barmes’ FRAA
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=32450

By: Richard Ya'Zhynka

Richard Ya'Zhynka — Wed, 31 Oct 2012 19:13:54 +0000

Barmes was 9.1 Fielding Runs Above Average. Gold Glove winner Jimmy Rollins had an FRAA of negative 8.5.

By: michaelbro8

michaelbro8 — Wed, 31 Oct 2012 17:55:20 +0000

kinda goes back to the Art Howe vs Billy Beane in Moneyball

By: kimbercarry

kimbercarry — Wed, 31 Oct 2012 16:56:17 +0000

I was totally surprised when Cutch was named as a finalist let alone winning the award. I don’t feel he’s a bad centerfielder but I don’t put him in the elite field just yet. I would rather have Trout in centerfield. And just to play devils advocate here…If offense is one of the big deciding factors in the GG then how does Adam Jones get the nod over Mike Trout? Jones line, .287 avg, 32HR, 82 RBI and 186 Hits in 162 games played. Trout, .326 avg, 30 HR, 83 RBI and 182 Hits in 139 games played. Trout played 23 less games. I think he was snubbed.

By: jalcorn

jalcorn — Wed, 31 Oct 2012 16:47:02 +0000

I guess you ignored total zone and defensive runs saved which also show Barmes as great. Then there is the eye test which was pretty clear ( I doubt anyone wanted to like Barmes with him hitting so bad).

By: Lee Young

Lee Young — Wed, 31 Oct 2012 16:31:56 +0000

I’m sure Barmes is gonna bring back some prospects in a deal.

NOT!!

Even the devil couldn’t spin a lie THAT big!

By: Lee Young

Lee Young — Wed, 31 Oct 2012 16:29:57 +0000

I mean ‘so right about Bourn!!’

By: Lee Young

Lee Young — Wed, 31 Oct 2012 16:29:18 +0000

Jalcorn…I had the MLB package and you are SO right about Cutch.

He should switch with Marte (if Marte males it!)

By: jlease717

jlease717 — Wed, 31 Oct 2012 16:22:04 +0000

Mercy, it is the return of UZR, the only metric that shows Barmes as great. It still isn’t reality based though. Bourn was a far superior centerfielder, but the Gold Glove has been based on hitting for a lot longer than 29 years. Carl Yazstemski won one in 1977. One thing that is predictable though is the defense of Clint Barmes, or bringing him into a discussion of something else. I guess with his superior defensive skill it will be easy for the Pirates to trade him this offseason for several prospects…