Comments on: First Pitch: Potential Off-Season Moves http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/first-pitch-potential-off-season-moves.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Sat, 26 Jul 2014 04:57:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.1 By: pirateswillwinin2012 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/first-pitch-potential-off-season-moves.html#comment-21509 Fri, 19 Oct 2012 14:03:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43290#comment-21509 “I haven’t really looked at the available free agents yet, so I couldn’t
say who would be a fit for the team. However, following up on my thoughts a few weeks ago about how free agency wasn’t worth it, I don’t think I’d personally be interested in the free agent crop.”

There is a lot of nice mid tier pitching that the Pirates could get their hands on, Like a Edwin Jackson again.

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By: buccotime57 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/first-pitch-potential-off-season-moves.html#comment-21503 Fri, 19 Oct 2012 02:28:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43290#comment-21503 Marte is not a long term answer?

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By: TonyPenaforHOF http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/first-pitch-potential-off-season-moves.html#comment-21502 Thu, 18 Oct 2012 22:13:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43290#comment-21502 I agree with you the Pirates are not way ahead of the Cardinals in the farm system. But I think they are doing better that holding their own. They are unbelievable!

For the Cardinals to win consistently at the ML level AND have a farm system in the top 1/3 is way above average. Add all of this to the fact they have 17 of 25 players on their playoff roster homegrown has put them at or near the top of all franchises.

All of this after they let a 13th round pick from 1999 walk via free agency – Albert Pujols!

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By: TonyPenaforHOF http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/first-pitch-potential-off-season-moves.html#comment-21501 Thu, 18 Oct 2012 21:46:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43290#comment-21501 That depends on what your definition of “great” is.

If it’s building a championship level team that performs consistently then the answer is no.

- AJ and Wandy are old. It is very likely they won’t be productive after the next 2 years. And no one in their right mind thinks the Pirates will be contending for a championship (not .500, not the wild card) in the next 2 years. While they have played well and one we got for nothing as a salary dump they are only good for making the team better this past year and maybe next year.

- JMac is a mystery but I still give credit to Neal for the trade. Locke hasn’t done anything at the ML level to be given a job and his ceiling is low as a #4 or #5. Locke isn’t a positive or a negative yet. I would rather have him than a older journeyman or another high round bust (Cedeno, Clement) but Locke doesn’t indicate Neal is “great”

- If you throw in the success of Morton you also have to throw in the failure. He was an utter disaster for a long enough period of time he doesn’t get the “JMac small sample size” pass.

How does that translate into “great”?

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By: RandyLinville http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/first-pitch-potential-off-season-moves.html#comment-21500 Thu, 18 Oct 2012 21:16:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43290#comment-21500 The Pirates farm system is far superior to the Cards? How do you arrive at tha?. BA had them ranked 10 and 11 to start the year. Fan graphs had them at 6 (STL) and 9 to start the season. Given that STL hasn’t drafted in the top 10 since NH took over, I’d say they are holding their own.

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By: steve19981 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/first-pitch-potential-off-season-moves.html#comment-21499 Thu, 18 Oct 2012 20:40:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43290#comment-21499 I think the starting pitching is rock solid. It is a testimony as to how well Huntington has traded that he has acquired all five starters on what could be an excellent rotation – AJ, JMac, Karstens, Locke and Wandy. You throw the success that Morton had before his injury and anyone who doubts Huntington’s ability to trade should look at the starters. They are great and what Huntington has done is great.

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By: Ian Rothermund http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/first-pitch-potential-off-season-moves.html#comment-21498 Thu, 18 Oct 2012 19:56:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43290#comment-21498 I think it’s possible this offseason for them to improve in several areas of the team via various methods. I think internally there are options to replace some players, I definitely think that another trade in the way of AJ Burnett is possible, and who knows, maybe the Pirates have brought enough positive light on the franchise that they could make some sort of statement free agent signing. Then you have Geeritt Cole and Taillon nearly ready to take the next step. Very curious to see how this offseason works out.

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By: TonyPenaforHOF http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/first-pitch-potential-off-season-moves.html#comment-21495 Thu, 18 Oct 2012 18:39:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43290#comment-21495 Not the point of my post. My point is to continue to produce evidence our GM and his people are not the best in baseball. They’re average.

My objective is get my fellow Pirate fans to begin to put public and financial pressure the ownership to either:
- make the organization great by bringing in the best talent there is in the F.O.
or
- sell the team to someone who will.

I don’t care which one they pick, but they have to pick one.

I think many Pirate fans think it’s a short trip from over .500 to the playoffs and a championship. It’s not. Look at the other small market teams in the playoffs and we see the championship almost always ends up in the big money.

An average GM isn’t going to give us a chance at anything real or sustainable. Only the best there is will even give us a shot. That’s why IMHO Neal has to go. He doesn’t stink, he’s just not good enough to achieve a championship in Pittsburgh.

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By: John Lease http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/first-pitch-potential-off-season-moves.html#comment-21494 Thu, 18 Oct 2012 18:28:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43290#comment-21494 Facts and figures don’t bother the serial Huntington lovers. He must have given several people here money, for the love they show him. The Cardinals have the Pirates beaten in all areas, including the one that actually counts, wins. Instead of cheap GM’s, the Pirates should be hiring one with a track record of selecting and developing talent. Not another ‘first time GM’. Huntington, Littlefield and Bonifay all had that in common. And then hold them accountable.

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By: leadoff http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/first-pitch-potential-off-season-moves.html#comment-21492 Thu, 18 Oct 2012 16:23:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43290#comment-21492 Typical Smizik Pirate bashing column, one side of everything, that column is so easy to debate that it is not worth it. Everyone knows that overall the Pirates did not draft well until 2008, since then no comparison the Pirate farm is far superior to the Card farm. The Cards have the Pirates beat in a number of areas, but not the farm, The Cards know what to do with their prospects when they get to the majors, the Pirates don’t.

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