Comments on: Pittsburgh Pirates 2012 Season Recap: Shortstop http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/pittsburgh-pirates-2012-season-recap-shortstop.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Sun, 07 Sep 2014 17:52:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: RandyLinville http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/pittsburgh-pirates-2012-season-recap-shortstop.html#comment-21459 Wed, 17 Oct 2012 03:20:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43080#comment-21459 Even bringing up the mere possibility of this team being tired shifts the focus from the real issue: a lack of talent.

Alvarez had an OPS in September that was in line with his OPS in May. Was he tired? Or is he streaky? Cutch had a better September OPS than April OPS. I don’t think we can look at this and logically claim that the hitters were tired.
You started talking about the bench players and the Sunday lineup and you switched over to the pitching staff. Those are two separate topics.

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By: leadoff http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/pittsburgh-pirates-2012-season-recap-shortstop.html#comment-21458 Wed, 17 Oct 2012 02:25:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43080#comment-21458 Cutch and Alvarez are the two most important players on the team, Cutch looked like the bat weighed a ton at the end of the year, Alvarez was overmatched also far too many times the last month and half of the year.
The amount of days a player gets off is not as important as when they get those days off, if a player plays every game for 3 months, giving him a day off now and then after that is elementary, the guy won’t get back what he has lost. The Pirates started the season with 5 starters, when the season ended there were 2 left, Corriea, Burnett, all the rest were done. Hurdle’s bullpen was also burned out.
The Pirates had more problems that this the last two months of the year, i am not going to put it all on just a worn out team, I think this team is still fighting a maturity issue, (No stat for that) and I do believe they choked somewhat also.

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By: john.alcorn http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/pittsburgh-pirates-2012-season-recap-shortstop.html#comment-21453 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:07:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43080#comment-21453 Yeah Randy, I agree he is below average, that’s what his less than 2 WAR tells you. That said, he is better than our other options and I doubt the teams with the 20 better SS are in a hurry to give us their guy.

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By: John Lease http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/pittsburgh-pirates-2012-season-recap-shortstop.html#comment-21452 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:46:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43080#comment-21452 Oy vey, again with the UZR. The one made up stat that Barmes doesn’t look terrible in.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/barmecl01.shtml
As you can see, in range factor, something that is actually quantifiable, he’s average. Just a smidgen below average. His hitting though, is far below average. Funny how the rest of the National League didn’t see his sterling defense and chase after him when they had the chance to. And he is declining. Old, not that good to start with, and in decline. Not someone you pour $10 million dollars into when you are as frugal as the Pirates are.

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By: ecbucs http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/pittsburgh-pirates-2012-season-recap-shortstop.html#comment-21449 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:47:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43080#comment-21449 this is basically what I was trying to say. Barmes is not really a plus for the team when compared to other major league shortstops. the Bucs need to be above average at as many positions as possible. shortstop is below average and therefore should be targeted for an upgrade.

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By: burgh_fan http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/pittsburgh-pirates-2012-season-recap-shortstop.html#comment-21447 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:52:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43080#comment-21447 Barmes over the last 3 seasons has an OPS of .649. Thinking he can produce something close to a .650 OPS season seems fairly reasonable to me.

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By: ecbucs http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/pittsburgh-pirates-2012-season-recap-shortstop.html#comment-21446 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:41:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43080#comment-21446 thanks for explanation. I used UZR 150 from Fangraphs. I understand that Barmes was above replacement level but IMO the Bucs need the veteran players they bring in to do better than that. Plus, I’m not sure he can play above replacement level in 2013 and there is still a big unknown for 2014 unless the team thinks Chase or Mercer can come through – and I think both of them are longshots.

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By: RandyLinville http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/pittsburgh-pirates-2012-season-recap-shortstop.html#comment-21445 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:40:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43080#comment-21445 Fangraphs WAR has him at 23rd among SS with 300 PAs. BRef WAR has him in 22nd. He is in the bottom third of of all SS in MLB. The club is paying him $5 million a year to be in the bottom third. He might’ve earned his keep as defined by how much WAR you should get per million spent, but it is on NH and the FO that they were unable to develop or trade for a suitable, lower priced option in five years on the job.

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By: john.alcorn http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/pittsburgh-pirates-2012-season-recap-shortstop.html#comment-21444 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:32:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43080#comment-21444 C and SS are clear needs, but the bottom line is that quality solutions just arn’t out there. There arn’t free agents available and there arn’t teams with a huge surplus of talent at these two key spots. The best hope is for a creative trade for a guy with talent but issues (something that hasn’t worked well for us). Something like the Jed Lowrie deal last winter.

NH and co need to focus on starting pitching upgrades, since that will be available in our price range. Quit spending $10 million on (at best) average position players and get a quality arm either in trade or free agency.

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By: john.alcorn http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/pittsburgh-pirates-2012-season-recap-shortstop.html#comment-21443 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:27:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43080#comment-21443 It looks like you are using UZR 150 which is scaled to 150 games. UZR already has sample size issues, so I would caution against using UZR 150.

To answer your question, a positive UZR for a full-time player means they above league average. a UZR north of 10 means they are excellent and among the very best at their position.

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