Comments on: Pittsburgh Pirates 2012 Season Recap: Third Base http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/pittsburgh-pirates-2012-season-recap-third-base.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Fri, 14 Nov 2014 01:41:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.0 By: gonfalon http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/pittsburgh-pirates-2012-season-recap-third-base.html#comment-21451 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:58:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43049#comment-21451 Depending on which metric you use, Alvarez’s defense at 3B actually improved in 2012 compared to 2010-11. Baseball Reference’s defensive WAR uses Defensive Runs Saved, and while he is still below average, both metrics indicated he made strides at 3B last year (-0.9 dWAR in 2010, -1.1 dWAR in 2011, but “only” -0.2 dWAR in 2012 in many more games, despite the errors). Who knows, maybe he will be an average defensive 3B in 2013.

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By: gonfalon http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/pittsburgh-pirates-2012-season-recap-third-base.html#comment-21450 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:50:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43049#comment-21450 sweet Jeebus, I sure hope Neal Huntington has been replaced by someone who can identify MLB talent well before Alvarez has to be traded.

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By: gonfalon http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/pittsburgh-pirates-2012-season-recap-third-base.html#comment-21448 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:47:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43049#comment-21448 Hmm… Allie had 8 errors in 9 games at 3B last year, but only 2 errors in 19 games at 1B. But at least he didn’t make any errors in his 14 starts at DH.

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By: BillT http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/pittsburgh-pirates-2012-season-recap-third-base.html#comment-21411 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 00:43:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43049#comment-21411 Pedro did make big strides at the plate this year, but how can you discuss his performance without mentioning his 27 errors at 3rd base? Granted, he made some excellent plays bear handing the ball and throwing runners out, but he botched far too many routine grounders. I’d like to see him improve on his fielding, otherwise, I think he needs to move to 1st base in the future.

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By: john.alcorn http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/pittsburgh-pirates-2012-season-recap-third-base.html#comment-21409 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:32:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43049#comment-21409 Tim, another option would be to extend Walker and have him eventually play 3B as he ages and loses range.

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By: whiteAngus http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/pittsburgh-pirates-2012-season-recap-third-base.html#comment-21408 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 11:33:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43049#comment-21408 the FO actually tried to pony up the dough, two years in a row in fact. but were rebuffed by the guys they were serious about signing. Edwin Jackson and DeLaRosa were both offered deals in the $30MM range.
youre right about the focus on defense and with Barmes that worked out wonderfully. and youre also right about FAs wanting to come to the Burgh. overpaying is not a smart idea especially with many of the younger players we have will soon be getting pay raises and long term deals. a Burnett part 2 might work out fantastically.

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By: Ian Rothermund http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/pittsburgh-pirates-2012-season-recap-third-base.html#comment-21404 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 01:39:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43049#comment-21404 I guess, in response, while I do agree with your opinion. Whether it’s been with free agent money or in trade, the Pirates have not really had any tremendous value to work with. The worst trade they managed was obviously Bay, but in regards to F.A.’s, they just haven’t ponied up the dough and haven’t had much luck either. I would argue that this past year, aside from maybe McClouth, who I think was meant to be a fourth OF, their focus was on defense in obtaining Barajas and Barmes. I’ll be very interested to see where they go with their free agent dollars this year….I think there are finally enough players establishing themselves and enough pitching in the upper minors, that it would finally be worth it to try to lure someone legitimate to the city. I guess the question that still remains is; how intriguing is Pittsburgh to free agents, whether it be from the young core players and relative improvements they’ve seen? That will determine how much they’ll have to overpay talent to come here….and regardless of that intrigue, there most definitely will be an inflated contract coming here if they can manage to bring someone in.

Maybe the best option is, and will continue to be, to make a trade where they eat salary, like with Burnett.

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By: James S http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/pittsburgh-pirates-2012-season-recap-third-base.html#comment-21402 Sun, 14 Oct 2012 23:59:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43049#comment-21402 But my point is that they are unable to evaluate hitters. They would most certainly fumble away Alvarez for some bum that one (or more) of their cronie scouts loves for his potential but has never produced and never will. The last thing I want them doing is trying to make a trade with him. The Pirates don’t make good trades even when they have good chips to offer.

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By: burgh_fan http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/pittsburgh-pirates-2012-season-recap-third-base.html#comment-21399 Sun, 14 Oct 2012 15:23:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43049#comment-21399 Ah Thank You I did not know that. Kind of stinks that he just finally showed some of his potential and now he might leave.

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By: st1300b http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/pittsburgh-pirates-2012-season-recap-third-base.html#comment-21396 Sun, 14 Oct 2012 13:39:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43049#comment-21396 No similarities between McGehee and Alvarez. Alvarez power dwarfs McGehee’s. I think Pedro is very likely to sign an extension, he’s a great guy and will want to be a part of this resurgence. I don’t think he’ll be with the club past the first extension though.

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