Comments on: The Pirates Have Spent Big in the Draft, But Has it Paid Off? http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/the-pirates-have-spent-big-in-the-draft-but-has-it-paid-off.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Sun, 13 Apr 2014 18:50:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.2 By: jalcorn http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/the-pirates-have-spent-big-in-the-draft-but-has-it-paid-off.html#comment-21919 Wed, 31 Oct 2012 13:34:32 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43650#comment-21919 You are correct, the Red Sox were using the overslot approach before the Bucs started to do so. If anything, they were more aggressive with HS kids than any other team.

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By: jalcorn http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/the-pirates-have-spent-big-in-the-draft-but-has-it-paid-off.html#comment-21918 Wed, 31 Oct 2012 13:30:46 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43650#comment-21918 Please explain – ““WAR” stat in that it is full of holes”

Those would be what exactly?

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By: jalcorn http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/the-pirates-have-spent-big-in-the-draft-but-has-it-paid-off.html#comment-21917 Wed, 31 Oct 2012 13:28:48 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43650#comment-21917 This is my thought as well, the Pirates have been drafting consensus talent getting many BA top 200 prospects each year and receiving good draft grades. I don’t think the draft is the issue (if there is one) its probably more a developmental thing.

Its a known fact that the fastball academy was a problem that has since been corrected. I wonder how much that hurt the HS pitchers from 2008 and 2009?

Its really hard to judge draft results in a vacuum. Every team fails on most of its picks. Tim is doing some nice work here, but a huge caveat to the approach of total WAR is the skewing caused by one breakout player. A team could have a good total WAR based on hitting on one guy and blowing the entire remaining draft.

I also agree that its pretty early to be judging these things. 2009 is a good example that looks bleak now but could very well produce a top notch closer and a MLB catcher to go with a few other useful players.

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By: millec311 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/the-pirates-have-spent-big-in-the-draft-but-has-it-paid-off.html#comment-21913 Wed, 31 Oct 2012 04:36:03 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43650#comment-21913 I think it would be interesting to see how each team is doing after maybe the 2nd round to see how teams are doing with overslot picks.

I thought I heard somewhere that the Red Sox actually had been spending a lot on the draft just like the Pirates had, but since the Red Sox usually pick in the 20′s and the Pirates were drafting #1-4 overall, the difference in total money spent was really just based on signing that first pick. I’m too lazy to look this up though.

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By: JayhawkDuke http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/the-pirates-have-spent-big-in-the-draft-but-has-it-paid-off.html#comment-21909 Tue, 30 Oct 2012 23:27:36 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43650#comment-21909 Scheppers obviously didn’t look great this last season, and I forgot we got the comp pick when he didn’t sign. I actually saw Vic Black play in the Cape Cod League when he was still in college. It’ll definitely be interesting to see what happens with him next season after he dominated AA. He doesn’t seem to be having a great AFL season, but I’m not too concerned about that…

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By: Lee Young http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/the-pirates-have-spent-big-in-the-draft-but-has-it-paid-off.html#comment-21907 Tue, 30 Oct 2012 23:22:33 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43650#comment-21907 Btw, I agree with you that I don’t care about the money either. i just care that there is better talent in our system than at any time in our 20 year blight.
We just have to hope and pray it translates to better MLB talent.

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By: Lee Young http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/the-pirates-have-spent-big-in-the-draft-but-has-it-paid-off.html#comment-21906 Tue, 30 Oct 2012 23:19:50 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43650#comment-21906 Jayhawk…not signing Scheppers may npt hurt us as much as you think. We got Black with that comp pick. Going to be interesting to see who ends up with a better career.

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By: Lee Young http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/the-pirates-have-spent-big-in-the-draft-but-has-it-paid-off.html#comment-21905 Tue, 30 Oct 2012 23:17:38 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43650#comment-21905 JK…if you look at most winning teams, they are built in a number of different ways. Heck, even the Cards, as good as they have been have whiffed on a number of number 1 draft picks in the 2000s.

We need some of our picks to come thru as stars. So far, Alvarez may, but we will need Cole, JT, Heredia, et al to fulfill their promise. At least TWO of them, imho.

AND, we need some luck…After 20 years, The Baseball Gods owe us some luck…BIGTIME!
Lol

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By: JayhawkDuke http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/the-pirates-have-spent-big-in-the-draft-but-has-it-paid-off.html#comment-21904 Tue, 30 Oct 2012 23:14:12 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43650#comment-21904 I agree with Leadoff. I think it’s a bit early to totally judge this draft. There are still some guys with potentially high upside. Justin Wilson obviously sticks out and maybe somebody like Jarek Cunningham (if he can get back to hitting for power and keep the walk rate high) could make this draft look a little better. The Pirates also drafted Matt Cutty out of junior college…although they didn’t sign him that year, they obviously saw the talent as I could see him developing into an impact player.

Tim makes a great point that the majority of the wins comes from the top of the draft, and I don’t think anybody can argue about taking Alvarez with the first pick. He was the best player available. Picking Scheppers with the second pick really hurt as they missed a chance to get good talent at the top of the draft.

Something else important to consider about all the draft money spent since 2008 is that a big chunk of the draft spending was made on first round talent. They spent big-time money on Alvarez, Tallion, and Cole (not counting Sanchez because they signed him at the recommended slot), and it appears right now they didn’t miss on any of these picks.

This was the first draft for NH and crew. There are obviously some growing pains to sort out to get all the scouts and talent evaluators on the same page. Right now it’s impossible to tell if any of the drafts since 2008 are better, but the minor league system is undoubtedly better than it was 5 years ago.

I seriously doubt the Pirates can expect to get every dollar back that they threw at the draft from 2008 to 2011. Considering how much more they spent than any other team, it’s pretty obvious that they aren’t going to be at the too of the $/WAR list for any of these drafts. The bottom line is that there is a ton of talent in the system that wasn’t there before this front office took over. Have all their over-slot draft picks worked out? Of course not. But do they have a lot of potential impact talent on the way to Pittsburgh? Absolutely.

I don’t understand why some of the media in Pittsburgh are jumping all over this FO about the talent in the organization. I personally don’t care how much money they spend on the draft as long as there is impact talent on the way to Pittsburgh. The Pirates have (correctly in my opinion) made a strong commitment to developing homegrown talent, and they’re doing a good job of it. It takes time to build a good system, and considering where we were 5 years ago, I’m pretty darn excited about the way things are heading now.

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By: Lee Young http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/10/the-pirates-have-spent-big-in-the-draft-but-has-it-paid-off.html#comment-21903 Tue, 30 Oct 2012 23:09:48 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=43650#comment-21903 Leadoff…while I agree that the farm system is in much better shape, Tim is only talking about the American Draft of 2008. Nothing more and nothing less.
However, outside of a few lucky orgs every year, one or two players is all you get from the draft historically. Anything else is usually in the form of complimentary players and or relievers, etc.

So yeah, we need to hit it big on those 1 or 2 players and hope and pray we get 2 or 3 stud pitchers from all of our talent hunts.

Coz pitching is gonna carry the day!

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