Comments on: First Pitch: An Incomplete Observation on an Incomplete Trade http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-an-incomplete-observation-on-an-incomplete-trade.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Tue, 16 Sep 2014 18:03:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: piratemike http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-an-incomplete-observation-on-an-incomplete-trade.html#comment-23253 Mon, 24 Dec 2012 19:20:26 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45180#comment-23253 Thank you for not being snarky in yor reply.
You said a salary dump is when a player is traded for the purpose of reducing payroll.
That is exactly what the Pirates have done. If the Pirates would have signed a very good if not a top prospect or a player that would be added to the 25 man roster out of spring training I would consider it closer to an even trade even if the Pirates woud save a lot in the deal. The deal is not completed so we will have to see what plays out but as it stands right now I have to say that Hanny’s price of 7mm this year is the reason he was traded and I still don’t understand why that is not a salary dump when the players they got back are highly questionable.

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By: AdreBox http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-an-incomplete-observation-on-an-incomplete-trade.html#comment-23243 Mon, 24 Dec 2012 15:14:35 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45180#comment-23243 A salary dump is when a player is traded for the single purpose of reducing payroll. It’s about the intent of the club. Trading a higher priced player in an effort to improve the ball club over the long term is not a salary dump even if it reduces payroll. Teams do it all of the time at the trade deadline.

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By: piratemike http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-an-incomplete-observation-on-an-incomplete-trade.html#comment-23235 Sun, 23 Dec 2012 18:26:40 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45180#comment-23235 In my book if you get rid of a player because he is making too much money for your budget I call it a salary dump. I don’t view it as a negative, it is just business.
If you want to call it a “salary rearrangement” fine it comes out the same way.
If GFJ is traded in my eyes that too will be a salary dump too because the Pirates will trade for somebody who is making a lot less. If he is traded for a player who is making about the same then I would not consider it a salary dump. Maybe I am missing something. You younger people speak a different language then I do..

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By: whiteAngus http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-an-incomplete-observation-on-an-incomplete-trade.html#comment-23232 Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:13:44 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45180#comment-23232 i love the salary dump comments despite NH just spending $30MM on two players in the last two weeks.
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i love being a Buc fan sometimes.

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By: whiteAngus http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-an-incomplete-observation-on-an-incomplete-trade.html#comment-23231 Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:12:34 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45180#comment-23231 this move isnt a salary dump, and i’ll tell you why… because the pirates just handed out $30MM to two free agents already, thats why.
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this is a salary rearrangement. yes, hammer should have been traded at a deadline, we all know this. but thats the past. now its time to get some value back for him in case he performs poorly in 2013. at least, thats what i believe is the FO’s belief.

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By: piratemike http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-an-incomplete-observation-on-an-incomplete-trade.html#comment-23230 Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:09:29 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45180#comment-23230 “This deal has all the signs of a salary dump”
Thats because that is what it is.
What I’m afraid of is the rest of the deal. I have a feeling that NH is going to throw in a really good prospect for more of the same.
I don’t have a problem with getting rid of Hanrahan because he is too expensive. Those players he recieved back are just throw aways.I’m just waiting for the next shoe to fall. That one may hurt.

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By: whiteAngus http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-an-incomplete-observation-on-an-incomplete-trade.html#comment-23229 Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:09:08 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45180#comment-23229 because Iglesias isnt as good as Barmes? hows that for an answer?

look, not every trade is supposed to help the MLB team TODAY. some of it helps the team for the future, but mostly it doesnt help the team at all.

sands is still young and could be a right handed version of garrett jones in the long run. the only way to find out is play the futhermucker.

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By: Lee Young http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-an-incomplete-observation-on-an-incomplete-trade.html#comment-23228 Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:08:41 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45180#comment-23228 SUNDAY, 10:58am: There’s still some discussion about a final player or two being included in the deal, according to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com (on Twitter). It’s not expected to derail the trade, but it may delay it past Christmas.

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By: Lee Young http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-an-incomplete-observation-on-an-incomplete-trade.html#comment-23227 Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:01:42 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45180#comment-23227 I think it is laughable that you think it is laughable.

:) :)

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By: Lee Young http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-an-incomplete-observation-on-an-incomplete-trade.html#comment-23226 Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:00:12 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45180#comment-23226 From the Boston paper:

“The Pirates tried to acquire Pimentel in 2008 as part of the three-team trade that sent Jason Bay to the Red Sox and Manny Ramirez to the Dodgers. However, the Red Sox refused to include Pimentel, and the Pirates instead got Craig Hansen.”

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