Comments on: First Pitch: The Pirates Payroll and a Realistic View on Salary Dumps http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-the-pirates-payroll-and-a-realistic-view-on-salary-dumps.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Sat, 15 Nov 2014 02:20:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.0 By: Sean Matthews http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-the-pirates-payroll-and-a-realistic-view-on-salary-dumps.html#comment-23558 Tue, 01 Jan 2013 03:28:08 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45313#comment-23558 We can’t even afford a Ryan Dempster contract let alone “Great” pitcher’s contract

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By: Sean Matthews http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-the-pirates-payroll-and-a-realistic-view-on-salary-dumps.html#comment-23557 Tue, 01 Jan 2013 03:18:54 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45313#comment-23557 Tim, your 2016 projected lineup in the Pirates Prospect Guide gave me a simi

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By: formerburgher http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-the-pirates-payroll-and-a-realistic-view-on-salary-dumps.html#comment-23506 Sun, 30 Dec 2012 22:20:55 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45313#comment-23506 The problem that I see in Huntington trading since becoming GM is that he goes for quantity over quality. Instead of getting one guy who you could plug into rotation or a top prospect to develope, he gets several mid 20s mediocre prospects. The system is already loaded with mediocre prospects.

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By: emjayinTN http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-the-pirates-payroll-and-a-realistic-view-on-salary-dumps.html#comment-23503 Sun, 30 Dec 2012 11:39:47 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45313#comment-23503 Kevin Creagh: Just simply a listing of what it takes to hang onto a solid offensive and defensive second baseman in today’s market. Age does not seem to be a factor, and I wanted to list Brandon Phillips and Rickie Weeks because they are both in the NL Central.

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By: keithconto http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-the-pirates-payroll-and-a-realistic-view-on-salary-dumps.html#comment-23501 Sun, 30 Dec 2012 05:48:50 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45313#comment-23501 While the Pirates have raised their payroll, so has everyone else. they’re currently 4th from the bottom in PR. As they have been for about 8 years IIRC. Frank, being the president of the team proabaly has access to budget projections and all that stuff. So he would be in a position to say the PR would go to about where it is now.

but as many things Pirate this was a half truth. Or perhaps the question was framed poorly. the REAL question is whether or not the Pirates will ever move up the payroll ladder with respect to the other teams. Unless and untill that happens we will continue to see what we see now.

Not enough talent to properly support the few good players that we do have. and we wont be a winning ORG.

And while spending money wisely is important. It’s not the final answer. You can, for example, get the best $5 mil. pitcher out there, but he’s still a $5mil. pitcher in an era where the AVG is much higher and the truely good pitchers get much much more.

they have to spend more in relation to other teams AND spend it wisely. Anything else will be unsucessful.

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By: Kevin Creagh http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-the-pirates-payroll-and-a-realistic-view-on-salary-dumps.html#comment-23469 Sat, 29 Dec 2012 16:13:09 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45313#comment-23469 I’m not sure what you’re proposing or if you think my stance is different than yours. I think the Pirates should sign him for the same reasons you said in the back half of your comment.

As for your first half of the comment, I have no idea what you’re trying to say. All of those players are on their post-arb contracts or 2nd contracts received from their teams. They don’t really have much in common with Walker’s situation.

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By: emjayinTN http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-the-pirates-payroll-and-a-realistic-view-on-salary-dumps.html#comment-23462 Sat, 29 Dec 2012 12:38:22 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45313#comment-23462 Kevin: You looked at Cano/Kinsler and I looked closer.
Brandon Phillips is now 32 and will be paid $10 mil in 2013; $11 mil in 2014; $12 mil in 2015; $13 mil in 2016; and $14 mil in 2017 when he will be 36 years old. Rickie Weeks will be 30 in 2013 and will be paid $10 mil; $10 mil in 2014; $11.5 mil Vesting option in 2015. Howie Kendrick is on the low end – he is 29 and in 2013 will be paid $8.75 mil; $9.35 mil in 2014; $9.5 mil in 2015.

It is not whether we have to do this now or not, it is all about building the solid foundation for this club and signing a kid like Neil Walker sends positive signals out to the fan base of the Pirates. We just lost a very popular veteran in Hanrahan – nothing better for the team, the player, and the fan base than to step up and show that we are sincere about keeping our core group.

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By: Stephen Brooks http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-the-pirates-payroll-and-a-realistic-view-on-salary-dumps.html#comment-23459 Sat, 29 Dec 2012 04:59:09 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45313#comment-23459 Equal or greater. I need a real keyboard.

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By: Stephen Brooks http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-the-pirates-payroll-and-a-realistic-view-on-salary-dumps.html#comment-23458 Sat, 29 Dec 2012 04:52:06 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45313#comment-23458 Ok, just to get our bearings, an “all star closer” isn’t as impressive as it sounds. 10 closers make the all star rosters, which is a third of the league.

The truth is, closers don’t pitch enough innings to be that valuable. An average SP or position player is worth about the same as a really good closer. in Liriano you have a guy whose baseline – switching leagues and playing in front of a good defense – is about what you would expect from Hammer (1 WAR) and his upside is 3 wins better. There’s probably an 80% chance the Pirates get equal or gather value from Liriano alone.

Which means if you get anything at all from Melancon, DeJesus or Sands in 2013, it’s not even close. Plus, you have those pieces in 2014 and beyond, whereas Hanrahan would surely be gone after he season.

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By: swartnp7 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-the-pirates-payroll-and-a-realistic-view-on-salary-dumps.html#comment-23457 Sat, 29 Dec 2012 03:00:05 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45313#comment-23457 I’m reading that from a lot of people. Why is that? Based upon what exactly? His MLB sample is considered small is it not? And didn’t people feel the same about GJones?

I think the Sheltons, Eldreds, & Pearces have frightened us. I’m also of the thinking that at least one of Snider, Tabata, Sanchez, Robinson, Curry, or Sands will break out. The odds (I’m hoping) would suggest one of them would bear fruit. I would love it if NH bit the bullet and went after someone like CJ Cron, but I can understand the route he is taking.

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