Comments on: First Pitch: Thoughts on Liriano, Hanrahan, the Rotation, and the Payroll http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-thoughts-on-liriano-hanrahan-the-rotation-and-the-payroll.html Thu, 20 Jun 2013 09:48:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: piratemike http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-thoughts-on-liriano-hanrahan-the-rotation-and-the-payroll.html#comment-23180 piratemike Sat, 22 Dec 2012 18:15:10 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45133#comment-23180 Seen the MLB Tonignt show and Larry Bowa and Mitch Williams ripped the Liriano signing. They said there were better pitchers available for the money they spent.
I hope they turn out to be wrong. I don’t like to be negative because it wears me out I would rather be in a positive frame of mind because I am happier person then. But man NH does wear me out.

]]> By: pezN8 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-thoughts-on-liriano-hanrahan-the-rotation-and-the-payroll.html#comment-23179 pezN8 Sat, 22 Dec 2012 17:52:47 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45133#comment-23179 If Mike Adams is going to get 2yrs/12 million as a setup guy, Liriano can get 2 yrs/12.75 mill as a starter.
Question is, what to do with Hanrahan.
Keep him til deadline?
Try and trade a package to Dodgers for Capuano and Gordon? (I know they just got Liriano, but a rotation of AJ, JMc, Wandy, Liriano, & Cap would not be too shabby).
Try and get Iglesias and more from Boston?
I’m also for going after CJ Cron from LAA.

]]> By: swartnp7 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-thoughts-on-liriano-hanrahan-the-rotation-and-the-payroll.html#comment-23174 swartnp7 Sat, 22 Dec 2012 16:04:27 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45133#comment-23174 I’m all for this signing. I agree, props should be given for getting him and doling out the $ to solidify the back of rotation. At worst he is a 5. At best he is frontline. Good risk.
In waiting we have: Locke/McPherson/Wilson/Morton and others. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that Karstens is back (no one is throwing money at him…yet).

As for Hanny, it would be a coup to get a decent SS prospect. I’m not sold on Gordon, but if they view him as fixable, fine. It stinks that we will not and cannot get the value we all wish we could get for Hanny. I’m also all for keeping him and dishing him at deadline. It’s not my money!

]]> By: beatembuccos21 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-thoughts-on-liriano-hanrahan-the-rotation-and-the-payroll.html#comment-23173 beatembuccos21 Sat, 22 Dec 2012 14:42:12 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45133#comment-23173 Those ‘stolen bases against’ numbers aren’t very good. Among starters with 150 IP in 2012, all four of the locks for the 2013 rotation finished with a higher than average number of steals against. JMac compared to AJ looks good. But JMac was still worse than median number in the league. So was Wandy. So was Liriano.

]]> By: Lee Young http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-thoughts-on-liriano-hanrahan-the-rotation-and-the-payroll.html#comment-23172 Lee Young Sat, 22 Dec 2012 14:36:07 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45133#comment-23172 Tim….you posted this yesterday….
Avg War by pick:
http://viewfromthebleachers.com/blog/2012/08/23/success-rate-of-mlb-draft-picks-by-slot/

That and the below article (and the links in the first para) should be required reading for the “we should have more depth from our draft” crowd!

http://viewfromthebleachers.com/blog/2012/08/23/success-rate-of-mlb-draft-picks-by-slot/

Success Rate of MLB Draft Picks by Slot

]]> By: Lee Young http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-thoughts-on-liriano-hanrahan-the-rotation-and-the-payroll.html#comment-23171 Lee Young Sat, 22 Dec 2012 14:32:34 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45133#comment-23171 “The wild cards will be McDonald and Liriano. ”

I would also put Locke and Kyle in that category, also.

In fact, our only dependable starters for now appear to be AJ and Wandy.

]]> By: emjayinTN http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-thoughts-on-liriano-hanrahan-the-rotation-and-the-payroll.html#comment-23162 emjayinTN Sat, 22 Dec 2012 11:25:59 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45133#comment-23162 Kirk: Some food for thought. Burnett was a 1.4 WAR pitcher in the AL in 2011 and then a 3.4 WAR pitcher in 2012 for the Pirates. Liriano was a 1.7 WAR last year with Minnesota and the White Sox. A 1/1 K/IP guy who also has a GO/AO of around 1.30. He plays well into the scheme in Pittsburgh, and will pitch all of 2013 as a 29 year old. Averaged around 93 mph on his fastball, and has a dynamite Slider. He can also throw a Curve and a Change. On holding runners, he is the same as Rodriguez – both held runners to only 16 SB’s last year. JMAC held runners to only 12 SB’s last year. I hope the Pirates have the guts to go 3 LH starters, because I think Locke can really benefit in a Rotation that includes Rodriguez and Liriano.

]]> By: Kirk Lee http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-thoughts-on-liriano-hanrahan-the-rotation-and-the-payroll.html#comment-23161 Kirk Lee Sat, 22 Dec 2012 07:18:01 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45133#comment-23161 A few thoughts: I think Liriano is a fantastic candidate to turn things around with the Pirates. He’s a lefty in PNC with high K/9, good groundball rate, and his one major problem has been control. Enter Russell Martin, one of the Major Leagues’ best pitch framers. He won’t necessarily eliminate the issue, but he could provide some non-negligible assistance. My only major concern is the strand rate, strangely. Liriano already struggles with it, and now he’ll be joining the Pirates, who have a policy of letting virtually anyone who reaches first also steal second and third. Then again, maybe it’ll do him some good to learn how to ignore his baserunners, if any of it is truly in his head.
Also, all the names mentioned above do look to provide a pretty solid rotation. Let’s not forget that we may also be getting Morton back midseason and he could certainly provide good depth and a valuable arm if he returns to his better form. You can never have too many viable starters, and the Bucs seem to be pretty deep already before 2013 has even started.

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