Comments on: First Pitch: What is the Next Move For the Pirates? http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-what-is-the-next-move-for-the-pirates.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Fri, 25 Jul 2014 13:30:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.1 By: Kevin Anstrom http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-what-is-the-next-move-for-the-pirates.html#comment-23505 Sun, 30 Dec 2012 17:31:53 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45282#comment-23505 Hello Y2JGQ2

My thinking is this …

Walker and Hultzen are rated at or above the Cole and Taillon level. Paxton is a step or two behind so I probably wouldn’t trade 1:1 for him. Perhaps Paxton + young SS (Franklin) or Marte + young SS (D’Arnaud or Mercer).

I think Marte will be an excellent MLB outfielder. However, there is some risk and Marte will not be able to play his best position (CF). And there is a chance he could settle in as a .700-.750 OPS OF which is just average.

Sands is not a 1B … he’s an OF. Additionally Sands is only a few months older than Marte. As an offensive player I think he can be as good or better than Marte. Sands should have better power and a higher walk rate (and higher OPS).

The Pirates have several young OF who project to be as good as Marte in Polonco and Bell. Also Hanson’s best position may end up being in the OF. With only 2 open spots in the OF and many candidates at the ML level (Tabata, Presley, Sands, Snyder, Jones) and more coming (Polanco, Hanson, Bell, Garcia, Barnes, Gaffney) I think it’s worthwhile to consider trading a terrific young OF prospect (Marte) for a top young pitching prospect.

If the Pirates were able to get Hultzen or Walker they would likely have the hardest throwing group of starters in the history of MLB. As best as I can tell that honor belongs to the 2012 Washington Nationals (average FB velocity of 93.8 MPH).

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=sta&lg=all&qual=0&type=10&season=2012&month=0&season1=2012&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

Of course with some their young arms such as Taillon, Cole, McPherson, Oliver, Wilson, and Pimentel they may be able to get to the 94 MPH level with no additional trades.

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By: Kevin Creagh http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-what-is-the-next-move-for-the-pirates.html#comment-23470 Sat, 29 Dec 2012 16:17:02 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45282#comment-23470 Jones is a Super 2 arb player. This is his 2nd year of 4 arb years, so there are 3 years of control for Jones.

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By: Y2JGQ2 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-what-is-the-next-move-for-the-pirates.html#comment-23452 Fri, 28 Dec 2012 22:40:24 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45282#comment-23452 I couldn’t have said it better- unless you can fill a position need for the future, you can’t trade him. That would be 3B,SS,C. Thats it. We aren’t going to get a player back with his production who is established, if we did, he’d be more expensive anyways. A prospect who is ready to fight for the major league roster or a year away is really the only thing you can trade him for

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By: Y2JGQ2 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-what-is-the-next-move-for-the-pirates.html#comment-23451 Fri, 28 Dec 2012 22:34:01 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45282#comment-23451 It would be 2 years of Jones, this is his first year of arbitration

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By: Y2JGQ2 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-what-is-the-next-move-for-the-pirates.html#comment-23450 Fri, 28 Dec 2012 22:30:20 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45282#comment-23450 Kevin- That makes absolutely no sense. In a system RICH with pitching, but with no offensive talent, we’d trade away the only A prospect we have for more pitching? …….i’m not going to be a jerk, but what exactly is the thinking behind that. whats the plan to replace his value in the of? We’d literally have to trade Taillor or Cole to get offense back, so i really don’t see the benefit.

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By: Y2JGQ2 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-what-is-the-next-move-for-the-pirates.html#comment-23449 Fri, 28 Dec 2012 22:28:02 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45282#comment-23449 Tim- That’s a well thought out response. I guess the next question I have is: What is the perceived trade value of Garrett Jones vs. what Joel Hanrahans’s was? Is the two years of control a bigger value than Joel’s all star credentials? From a WAR perspective and the value of the position of course…..what could we expect realistically in a trade? We don’t need pitching, we don’t need first base, second base, or corner outfield, or even center field. Catcher, third base, and shortstop are really our only depth needs if we are talking about a prospect- could we even get that for Jones?

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By: lawdog http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-what-is-the-next-move-for-the-pirates.html#comment-23446 Fri, 28 Dec 2012 20:35:49 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45282#comment-23446 If they trade Jones for anything other than a top of the line prospect, a proven power hitter, or a top of the line starter, either straight up or a package, I’m done with them this year. I agree with johnrussellskinner. For the price of 4 or 5 million, he is a very nice bargain. I completely reject Mr. Williams argument that somehow 2010 or 11 is the “norm”. Why? Maybe he just finally figured it out. He has had two great years and two mediocre, but with still 20 HR’s. We are in no danger of losing him, he is not overpaid and is guaranteed production. The reason we suffer through 20 years of losing is they inexplicably trade guys like this.

I said it before on here, just because a guy has value does not mean you trade him. To be a good team, you know, you should have good players (duh) playing on your team. If you are losing a guy like Jones in free agency or is way too expensive, that is different. (like Hanrahan and 7 mil). To trade him to play some prospect when there is absolutely no need to trade him and hope his replacement even hits half as good as Jones in lunacy.

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By: lawdog http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-what-is-the-next-move-for-the-pirates.html#comment-23445 Fri, 28 Dec 2012 20:27:53 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45282#comment-23445 He is not the greatest first baseman ever, but he is hardly a “butcher” at either first or right field. He made some fantastic catches in RF this year and is average at 1b. Be honest.

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By: totall http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-what-is-the-next-move-for-the-pirates.html#comment-23416 Fri, 28 Dec 2012 14:27:12 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45282#comment-23416 Why would you want to trade the best defensive OF on the roster ?? He has a lot of upside as a hitter and has the best and accurate arm on the roster. Makes no sense !! He should be the everyday CFer not cutch. Cutch cannot go straight back on a ball hit over his head, his arm is weaker than Marte’s, and he is less accurate than Marte.

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By: totall http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-what-is-the-next-move-for-the-pirates.html#comment-23414 Fri, 28 Dec 2012 14:17:53 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45282#comment-23414 Jones can only hit right handed pitching, and quite well. But he is a butcher at first and in right. He is an ideal DH in the A.L. If he could fetch a better hitter than our SS, so be it.

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