Comments on: The Updated 2013 Pittsburgh Pirates Bullpen http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/the-updated-2013-pittsburgh-pirates-bullpen.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Fri, 14 Nov 2014 17:02:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.0 By: Kevin Creagh http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/the-updated-2013-pittsburgh-pirates-bullpen.html#comment-23579 Thu, 03 Jan 2013 18:06:45 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45298#comment-23579 One of Oliver or Wilson has the inside track on the 2nd lefty position.

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By: Kirk Weaver http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/the-updated-2013-pittsburgh-pirates-bullpen.html#comment-23572 Thu, 03 Jan 2013 12:51:38 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45298#comment-23572 Two observations, first once again at this point anyway we only have one lefty in the pen. It is my opinion that a second lefty is a necessity especially with Hurdle’s unorthodox approach dealing with left on left right on right matchups.
Secondly once again our pitching staff is overloaded with guys who’ve dealt with or are still dealing with control issues which makes the 2013 bullpen IMO a big question mark

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By: wkkortas http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/the-updated-2013-pittsburgh-pirates-bullpen.html#comment-23432 Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:05:01 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45298#comment-23432 When the Pirates picked up Hanrahan he was just another guy who threw hard but hadn’t had any big-league success; the Pirates have plenty of guys who fit that profile (and Melancon has had one successful season closing)–if the Pirates have proved one thing, it’s that you can always find someone who can close effectively on the cheap. Incidentally, do you really think the Pirates will finish behind the Cubs?

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/the-updated-2013-pittsburgh-pirates-bullpen.html#comment-23426 Fri, 28 Dec 2012 15:14:28 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45298#comment-23426 Considering the makeup of the bullpen the last few years, it wouldn’t be out of the ordinary for one or two of those guys to make the opening day roster. Last year they had Jared Hughes and Evan Meek. Hughes had 11 innings in the majors and Meek had struggled. The year before that it was Mike Crotta and Garrett Olson.

The Pirates have shown a tendency to give chances to non-established relievers. Some of those guys work out. The ones that don’t usually get a quick hook. We’re talking about the final two bullpen spots here. Not exactly a lot of potential value to be had. That’s where you take chances on guys like Leroux, hoping those strong ratios translate to success.

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By: jdyandrew http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/the-updated-2013-pittsburgh-pirates-bullpen.html#comment-23421 Fri, 28 Dec 2012 14:44:45 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45298#comment-23421 Leaving two spots open for Leroux, Mazzaro, and van den Hurk is nuts. All three are reclamation projects, horribly unreliable at best and Vandenhurk and Mazzaro espcially haven’t the slightest track record of even mediocrity. Anyone general manager who takes 2 of the three north should be relieved of his duties. I am even reticent to take Leroux north, sooner or later we have to be a serious team which treats ever roster spot as something of value. There is a good chance Leroux implodes and costs the team 2 or 3 games. Vandenhurk bizarrely cost the team a very important game in a pennant race. If you want to analyze Huntington’s roster building, don’t ignore the replacement parts he called up for the bullpen in September, everyone subtracted from team in that mess.

I don’t think Neal Huntington would start the season with the bums you suggested at the back end given his track record over the past two years and i think your suggestion of it is off the mark. Why not simply point out that the proposed bullpen, without an addition or two, isn’t going to cut it?.

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/the-updated-2013-pittsburgh-pirates-bullpen.html#comment-23409 Fri, 28 Dec 2012 13:53:14 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45298#comment-23409 I disagree. Whoever loses the battle should be moved to Triple-A and should be the sixth guy in the rotation. It’s not like he’ll be down that long. Both will probably be in the majors by the end of May if the Pirates have a normal team’s amount of injuries/poor performance.

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By: jalcorn http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/the-updated-2013-pittsburgh-pirates-bullpen.html#comment-23408 Fri, 28 Dec 2012 13:49:09 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45298#comment-23408 The main focus should be on developing them as MLB pitchers, not hedging against injury.

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/the-updated-2013-pittsburgh-pirates-bullpen.html#comment-23397 Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:45:35 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45298#comment-23397 Here is Baseball America’s pre-draft report on Black from 2009:

“His fastball is pretty straight because he throws from a high three-quarters slot, and his control sometimes deserts him, but he has pitched in the mid-90s throughout the season.”

Black had a BB/9 rate of 5.9, 5.9, and 4.1 in college. In his entire pro career he’s never been below a 4.3 at any level. So if you’re suggesting that the control issues are because of changes the Pirates made, then you’re wrong. These issues have been around his whole career.

As for the changes in his delivery, they were made to prevent injuries. Black was very injury prone at the start of his career. So far the changes have worked, as he’s been healthy since his last injury in early 2011. He’s also regained his velocity, and added to his pre-draft velocity.

No one is saying that Black is a bad pitcher. But he does have control issues. That’s undeniable.

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By: Rebel http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/the-updated-2013-pittsburgh-pirates-bullpen.html#comment-23395 Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:34:20 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45298#comment-23395 As someone who knows his delivery has been changed 2-3 different times while a pirate along with his arm action hitting the middle of the back stop isn’t a surprise Tim. Once in a while actually do some real research into the why.

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By: meatygettingsaucy http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/the-updated-2013-pittsburgh-pirates-bullpen.html#comment-23388 Fri, 28 Dec 2012 02:19:33 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45298#comment-23388 Just like when Hanrahan was acquired and was a strong “bounce back candidate”. Go find a different site to complain on.

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