Comments on: Alex Dickerson Named to MLB.com’s Top 10 First Base Prospects http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/01/alex-dickerson-named-to-mlb-coms-top-10-first-base-prospects.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Tue, 29 Jul 2014 18:31:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.1 By: tempman89 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/01/alex-dickerson-named-to-mlb-coms-top-10-first-base-prospects.html#comment-24194 Mon, 28 Jan 2013 23:38:31 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=46277#comment-24194 Never meant to create controversy, but this is a great thread!
And I wasn’t necessarily meaning the pirates trading star players. Just going in generalities, because we can always find good and bad trades.

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By: Ian Rothermund http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/01/alex-dickerson-named-to-mlb-coms-top-10-first-base-prospects.html#comment-24183 Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:58:24 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=46277#comment-24183 lol, don’t you mean…..”superstars”

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By: Ian Rothermund http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/01/alex-dickerson-named-to-mlb-coms-top-10-first-base-prospects.html#comment-24180 Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:47:45 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=46277#comment-24180 I forgot about Giles…what losers did we get for him? Lol

And arguably at the time he left, Kendall was damaged goods. At his peak, he was still kind of weak defensively and had little or no power with the bat. On a good team, he probably would’ve hit 6th or 7th and hit for a good average

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By: Lee Young http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/01/alex-dickerson-named-to-mlb-coms-top-10-first-base-prospects.html#comment-24178 Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:26:05 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=46277#comment-24178 Ian….I agree with your overall assessment of the superstars that we traded away.

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By: Lee Young http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/01/alex-dickerson-named-to-mlb-coms-top-10-first-base-prospects.html#comment-24177 Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:21:49 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=46277#comment-24177 Above avg FIELDING.

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By: Lee Young http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/01/alex-dickerson-named-to-mlb-coms-top-10-first-base-prospects.html#comment-24176 Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:21:28 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=46277#comment-24176 Steve…I always thought Giles and Kendall were above average.

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By: Lee Young http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/01/alex-dickerson-named-to-mlb-coms-top-10-first-base-prospects.html#comment-24175 Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:17:24 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=46277#comment-24175 Mark….lol

Peanut Butter goes good on everything. Howabout sushi?

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By: Steve Zielinski http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/01/alex-dickerson-named-to-mlb-coms-top-10-first-base-prospects.html#comment-24171 Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:01:14 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=46277#comment-24171 Kendall would have been a strong candidate for the HOF had it not been for his injuries. He and Giles were superstars — i.e. high WAR players. Both were poor defenders and derived much of the value from their bats. Giles was a 6-7-win player during his Pirates tenure while Kendall was a 4-6-win player during his peak years — i.e. before his thumb injury. Kendall’s ankle injury also coincided with a decline in his UZR.

In other words, both players were superstars.

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By: Ian Rothermund http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/01/alex-dickerson-named-to-mlb-coms-top-10-first-base-prospects.html#comment-24170 Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:44:25 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=46277#comment-24170 Yeah, I’m pretty sure the last star player that the Pirates traded away was back in the 70′s. I always found it amazing how attached people were to guys like Freddy Sanchez, Jason Bay, Doumit, Maholm, Duke, even Snell, before that it was Jason Kendall. None of those players ever came close to super star status, and most were never more than league average. In the case of Bay and Sanchez, they each had their couple years in the sun, and then it went away. No offense to them, they lived/are living a dream, the problem is that trading those players away will not bring a return of anything close to a “highly regarded” prospect.

So when you’re talking about the Pirates organization as a whole, is it any wonder it’s taken them 6 years to build up a worthwhile small market team? I mean, they essentially went close to 15 years without drafting an impact, star level player. Furthermore, during much of those years they were unable to acquire any legitimate prospects via trade. Now, that’s no excuse, every squirrel finds a nut now and again, so the management in previous years bares much of the responsibility in the matter.

I just dislike comments pertaining to Neil Huntington making it seem as though he’s been in charge since ’93. Maybe you’ve wanted more success in the short term than what’s been seen, and that’s debatable. However, there’s a basic equation with baseball in regards to talent that was extremely unbalanced for a long time in Pittsburgh. If you put good in, you get good out. What’s important to remember is that the output is only going to vary relative to the input. That means, if you’re starting off with Bay as your primary trade asset, you’re probably not going to end up with as much as you might expect in the long run. Yes, he was a very solid player at the time, but in reality, if he was going to a playoff contending team, he was by no means going to be the best outfielder. Then, once you factor in that all the other pieces they had were lesser in value than Bay….it’s no wonder there was very little return for all of those guys from the early/mid 2000′s.

It all comes down to amateur player acquisitions, player development, and making the right trades. A lot of those things are arguably still up in the air in regards to NH’s management of the team. However, I would argue that the team continues to be headed in the right direction, and that maybe this slow, but steady pace is something that will benefit the organization in the long run. For the time being, at least for this season, I’d prefer to not throw away a GM who might actually be doing right by this organization in the long-run.

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By: meatygettingsaucy http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/01/alex-dickerson-named-to-mlb-coms-top-10-first-base-prospects.html#comment-24168 Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:19:25 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=46277#comment-24168 What star players have we traded lately. Please don’t even try to say Hanrahan because no closer is worth 1/10th of a teams payroll.

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