Comments on: First Pitch: A Garrett Jones Trade Might Not Be a Guarantee http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/01/first-pitch-a-garrett-jones-trade-might-not-be-a-guarantee.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Sun, 21 Sep 2014 16:01:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: jg941 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/01/first-pitch-a-garrett-jones-trade-might-not-be-a-guarantee.html#comment-23874 Mon, 14 Jan 2013 23:11:40 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45690#comment-23874 Any guesses on Mike Napoli’s price tag for 1 or 2 years? If reasonable, I suggested it may make sense to take a run at him, and re-visit a Jones trade with the Sox if they are bailing on Napoli and their options dwindle.

Oddly enough, Napoli’s splits as a RH are as high or higher against RHPs as most LH hitters, including the guys we would have in platoon-type roles at 1B (Jones) and at C (McKenry). He is, effectively, and ideal hitter lefty platoon against RHPs, who just happens to hit right-handed (Check out his splits the last two seasons – crazy, if he can come close to maintaining those). He can play 75% at 1B, and take a portion of ABs against righties at C.

Just a thought, unless you think he’s still going to pull down north of $10 mil/yr on a shorter term.

Not sure what’s reasonable from Sox for Jones – SS Iglesias? P Henry Owen? SS Deven Merrero? 2B Brock Holt? (wanted to make sure you were still listening….:-).

Is P Daniel Bard due? How about John Lackey and a lot of cash coming back? (his Bill James projections look (suspiciously) very good for next year – as do Bard’s – bet Sox would seize opportunity to kick in and move on (and the beer and chicken are cheaper in Pittsburgh, too.)

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By: leadoff http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/01/first-pitch-a-garrett-jones-trade-might-not-be-a-guarantee.html#comment-23856 Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:13:30 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45690#comment-23856 I don’t think they are slow to act at all, shopping takes time and it takes two to tango most of the time, the free agent list is not always a fit both money and or positions.

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By: leadoff http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/01/first-pitch-a-garrett-jones-trade-might-not-be-a-guarantee.html#comment-23855 Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:10:48 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45690#comment-23855 The only way I could see Jones leaving is in a big package deal or at the trade deadline if the Pirates are not doing well.
IMO, everyone on any team is trade worthy for the right price.

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/01/first-pitch-a-garrett-jones-trade-might-not-be-a-guarantee.html#comment-23854 Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:45:54 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45690#comment-23854 It’s more about the recent information, which backs up the information we’ve heard from the last three years. Plus that’s another team that isn’t in on Jones.

Also, I never thought that Sands and Robinson guaranteed a trade. As I mentioned in that article above, they’ve both got options, so the Pirates could keep everyone.

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/01/first-pitch-a-garrett-jones-trade-might-not-be-a-guarantee.html#comment-23853 Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:42:41 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45690#comment-23853 I don’t look at things in black and white, so I wouldn’t say there’s any opposite stances here.

A few weeks ago we obviously didn’t have the Cafardo news that came out yesterday. That’s going to change anyone’s view on the probability of Jones being traded. After reading that I went back and searched all of the previous GFJ rumors. Each time the story was the same: the Pirates had a high asking price and the other teams weren’t paying it.

For some more reference on my previous thoughts on Jones, I said on Twitter on 12/27 (the same day as that article) that I felt there was a 60/40 chance of Jones being traded (https://twitter.com/timwilliamsP2/status/284477995610169344). I’d say the reminder from Cafardo has shifted that to somewhere in the 30/70 range. Not only is that a reminder of the high value on Jones, it also shows that Boston won’t be in on Jones, which removes one team that matched up well for his services.

So again, not a black and white issue. Just shades of gray probabilities based on what information is available at the time.

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By: Lee Young http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/01/first-pitch-a-garrett-jones-trade-might-not-be-a-guarantee.html#comment-23849 Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:10:23 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45690#comment-23849 He’s staying until you can spell his first name correctly.

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By: Lee Young http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/01/first-pitch-a-garrett-jones-trade-might-not-be-a-guarantee.html#comment-23848 Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:09:56 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45690#comment-23848 John…I’m with you. I don’t see Sands and Robinson as Jones replacements.

And NH has denied every aspect of that T Walker/Jones trade rumor.

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By: Kevin Creagh http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/01/first-pitch-a-garrett-jones-trade-might-not-be-a-guarantee.html#comment-23845 Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:00:36 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45690#comment-23845 Going into the 2012 regular season, I would have thought that was Jones last year with the Pirates. His arb price was going to creep up and his production was on the border of justifying it. Then he had a very nice 2012 campaign. He was offered around to see what his value was and no one bit (Taijuan Walker from SEA).

Contingency plans like Sands and Robinson were brought in, which led many to believe Jones was on his way out. I think Tim is now re-reading the tea leaves and seeing that the chance of Jones being traded is much, much smaller than in December.

Personally, I put his trade chances at 15% throughout the off-season as that’s too much power to give up for a team that desperately needs to break .500 this year for all parties’ sakes.

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By: beatembuccos21 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/01/first-pitch-a-garrett-jones-trade-might-not-be-a-guarantee.html#comment-23844 Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:58:17 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45690#comment-23844 Now you are saying this:

“I said earlier in the off-season that I would be surprised if Joel Hanrahan was on the team on Opening Day. On a similar note, I wouldn’t be surprised if Garrett Jones was on the team on Opening Day.”

Here’s what you wrote earllier:

” I don’t think it’s as inevitable as a Hanrahan trade, but I’d be surprised if the Pirates kept Jones.” (http://www.piratesprospects.com/2012/12/first-pitch-what-is-the-next-move-for-the-pirates.html).

Unless my comprehension is poor, you’ve taken the opposite stance with this post compared to where you were in the aftermath of the Hammer deal. Is that because two weeks have passed and you have a better read on the situation?

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By: Brian Bernard http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/01/first-pitch-a-garrett-jones-trade-might-not-be-a-guarantee.html#comment-23843 Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:18:12 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45690#comment-23843 I think Garret Jones will have a high value on Garret Jones pretty soon, and then he’ll be gone with nothing to show for it.
Another missed opportunity by this too slow to act front office.

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