Comments on: First Pitch: What Are the Alternatives if the Liriano Deal Falls Through? http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/01/first-pitch-what-are-the-alternatives-if-the-liriano-deal-falls-through.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Sat, 26 Jul 2014 16:06:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.1 By: jg941 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/01/first-pitch-what-are-the-alternatives-if-the-liriano-deal-falls-through.html#comment-23810 Fri, 11 Jan 2013 14:53:45 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45595#comment-23810 Assuming we had the pieces to consider all of the above options (internal, FA & trades), I’d chase them (the REALISTIC options that we’ve seen show up in the rumor mill, that is) in this order of preference:

– Chris Capuano (trade, Dodgers have excess starters) – strong preference as single-best option out there, if we had some trade piece(s)
– Johan Santana (assumes HUGE salary dump/kick-in from Mets, could include trade pieces, too)(our net would have to be, like, sub-$10 mil, so….)
– Ricky Nolasco (salary dump, w/poss trade pieces)
– Roy Oswalt (FA, but he scares me a little, prima donna/head-case)
– Justin Masterson or Ubaldo Jimenez – trade, excess starters, w/different pieces depending on which one you chase (more for Justin, less for Ubaldo)
– Phil Hughes (trade, Yanks leveraging his final year)
– Jeff Locke (internal)
– Kyle McPherson (internal)
– Bud Norris (trade)
– Jeff Karstens (FA)
– Chris Leroux (internal)
– Rick Porcello (trade)

I think any of those could work well while other moves happen (Cole, Taillon, etc.).

After that, I guess I would consider others, but they get much less attractive IMO (either for cost, anticipated performance or injury-prone reasons), folks like, in declining order as well, Lohse, Marcum, Chris Young, Pavano, Floyd, Happ or Saunders)

If anyone else in the rumor mill isn’t above, I either thought they were very unrealistic or, um, eh………

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By: MichaelVelaTTU http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/01/first-pitch-what-are-the-alternatives-if-the-liriano-deal-falls-through.html#comment-23808 Fri, 11 Jan 2013 08:49:53 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45595#comment-23808 Pirates have been adding all this starting pitching depth to help toward the end of the season when regular starters start doing poorly. To feel comfortable, they’d need to sign a good starter and not hope that one of their signings has an amazing year. Need someone who is reliable.

The Pirates DO NOT need any more outfielders. If they’re looking for getting a big name person in a trade, Tulowitzki would come cheap prospect-wise (meaning Pirates pay A LOT for contract), or he’d be worth a top prospect or two for the Rockies to eat some of his salary. This would get the Pirates a middle of the rotation SS (because we all know how people don’t like Clint Barmes) for a long long time. His first FA year is 2021. When healthy, Tulo puts up 5-6 WAR (according to baseball-reference WAR). That’d be worth the money IMO…

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By: jkumf1 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/01/first-pitch-what-are-the-alternatives-if-the-liriano-deal-falls-through.html#comment-23807 Fri, 11 Jan 2013 03:42:34 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45595#comment-23807 Also a deal for Justin Upton would be nice as well. Would not want to give up Cole, Taillon, or Marte. Was thinking Heredia, Planco, and JBell?

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By: moose7195 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/01/first-pitch-what-are-the-alternatives-if-the-liriano-deal-falls-through.html#comment-23804 Fri, 11 Jan 2013 00:26:02 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45595#comment-23804 I have to disagree with both of you. We have enough depth at SP at the moment, and we have too many unproven powerless outfielders. This team needs to find a way to invest this money and maybe a few prospects into a corner outfielder with decent power and some major league experience, like a Josh Willingham or Jason Kubel. Our outfield is already strong defensively, McCutchen and Marte could cover 75% of it by themselves, and Presley and Tabata could be decent defensive subs if need be.

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By: Lee Young http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/01/first-pitch-what-are-the-alternatives-if-the-liriano-deal-falls-through.html#comment-23799 Thu, 10 Jan 2013 20:30:16 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45595#comment-23799 where did you read that Porcello was a cheap trade acquisition?

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By: jkumf1 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/01/first-pitch-what-are-the-alternatives-if-the-liriano-deal-falls-through.html#comment-23798 Thu, 10 Jan 2013 20:14:44 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45595#comment-23798 The Pirates should go after Joe Saunders and also Kevin Millwood. Millwood can come cheap. Both will eat up alot of innings as well. Also like the idea of trading for Capuano as well. Will the Dodgers take Tabata in return? Michael Bourn signing will be good as well, and the the Pirates can trade Garrett Jones for a SS prospect. What about Reid Brignac from Tampa Bay, he is only 26 years old.

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By: WNCRoadBowling http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/01/first-pitch-what-are-the-alternatives-if-the-liriano-deal-falls-through.html#comment-23796 Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:15:37 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45595#comment-23796 Good points and with the concerns with McDonald that’s one reason I’m worried about going with internal options. If McDonald goes bad again you’ll need Locke and McPherson and then someone else.

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By: jalcorn http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/01/first-pitch-what-are-the-alternatives-if-the-liriano-deal-falls-through.html#comment-23795 Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:38:47 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45595#comment-23795 Porcello is the best answer here. Its very rare that you get a chance to get a 24 year old SP with 3 years of control left on the cheap.

I would still like to see him acquired regardless of Liriano’s status.

That said, the Dodgers have 8 SP right now, they need to dump Capuano.

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By: leadoff http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/01/first-pitch-what-are-the-alternatives-if-the-liriano-deal-falls-through.html#comment-23792 Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:36:08 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45595#comment-23792 I agree, I think Saunders is a solid 4 or 5, I like the Idea of Locke or McFear in the rotation and the other in the pen. Saunders is a work horse type pitcher that will give you innings. I also like him better than McDonald, I don’t think McDonald is that good when his fastball goes away, usually that is around June and last year it never came back. Saunders looks a lot to me like a left handed version of Karstens.

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By: WNCRoadBowling http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/01/first-pitch-what-are-the-alternatives-if-the-liriano-deal-falls-through.html#comment-23791 Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:46:20 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=45595#comment-23791 I am not the world’s biggest Joe Saunders fan but to say Locke or McPherson would be better options isn’t really fair.

His ERA since coming to the NL was:

2010 – 4.25 (after trade)
2011 – 3.69
2012 – 4.22 (traded to AL mid-season)

His Inter-league ERA mostly against NL is 3.34.

His ERA at Chase Field was 4.51.

His home/road splits in his only full season in Arizona are drastic:

Home – 4.42
Road – 3.14

It’s tougher to pitch in the AL and Chase Field is one of the most hitter friendly parks in the NL. I think you get him back to the NL playing half his games in PNC and you could probably expect and ERA under 4. I like Locke and McPherson but I don’t think they’ll match that… not to mention the depth it would add.

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