Comments on: First Pitch: Mark Appel Made a Very Common Decision http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/02/first-pitch-mark-appel-made-a-very-common-decision.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Fri, 19 Sep 2014 14:53:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: cdubb7 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/02/first-pitch-mark-appel-made-a-very-common-decision.html#comment-24922 Mon, 18 Feb 2013 19:48:12 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=46931#comment-24922 You’re assuming that Mr. Boras would tell you the truth when asking about Appel’s signability beforehand. He is going to tell you whatever gives him leverage in the situation. Drafting signable players got us Daniel Moskos. Nice pick Littlefield!

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By: Y2JGQ2 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/02/first-pitch-mark-appel-made-a-very-common-decision.html#comment-24908 Mon, 18 Feb 2013 03:20:10 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=46931#comment-24908 Well the new system doesn’t LET teams put more money out there. I don’t even think Washington would have taken the change on strasburg for the amount of penalties that exist currently under the new CBA. Boras needs to wake up, and last year was a win for it. If his stock drops significantly more from mediocre results this year, it further helps the cause to drop the agent’s amount of power for draftees. Draftees will see less upside, know what the actual difference in dollars is….and be less likely to do stupid crap like appel did. Boras’s stupid BS games might still work for lower drafted players, but at the top of the board…..it is what it is and he needs to realize that.

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By: C Shint http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/02/first-pitch-mark-appel-made-a-very-common-decision.html#comment-24906 Mon, 18 Feb 2013 01:44:19 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=46931#comment-24906 Seems like NH started to figure some things out when taking pitchers after his first two drafts (08-09). He failed to sign these guys in 2010 but at least they were targeting the right guys, or so it seems.

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By: dcpinpgh http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/02/first-pitch-mark-appel-made-a-very-common-decision.html#comment-24905 Mon, 18 Feb 2013 01:13:01 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=46931#comment-24905 If I was a prep player I wouldn’t sign unless I got blown away by the offer. . Most people don’t make the bigs. A 100 grand signing bonus afrer taxes is probably less valuable then your scholarship, unless your name is Griffy, Doc, or I guess Machado(all of those guys weren’t picked late). Overall, , instead of riding the buses in the little towns and working. You are in a college town with college girls. Plus if you do well you can make more money as a Junior, if not you can have a degree for free. For most prep players not signing makes more sense

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By: Brian Bernard http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/02/first-pitch-mark-appel-made-a-very-common-decision.html#comment-24904 Mon, 18 Feb 2013 01:09:45 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=46931#comment-24904 Agree with this thought of Boras’s lack of negotiating leverage – which is why I truly believe he was behind Appel not signing. I think he told Appel he’d get him 6-8 mil and when it all fell apart into the 8th round, he pushed for 6-8 mil as he said he would. He felt like a no.1 player should be the caliber of talent to cause a team to buckle. Kudos IMO to the Bucs FO for NOT buckling just because Boras over promised earnings to a kid.
Also to those who think signability should be the focus of the team, I strongly disagree.
Talent, and only the best elite talent is what I want the team going after. Signing or not, those are players who can become impact players someday.

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By: rburgh http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/02/first-pitch-mark-appel-made-a-very-common-decision.html#comment-24903 Mon, 18 Feb 2013 00:49:20 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=46931#comment-24903 I’m not sure Appel didn’t do the Pirates a favor. Because he was a risky sign, and they knew it, they drafted some high upside guys later in the draft that seem to have panned out well so far.

If they had drafted David Dahl, and signed him for slot, they might not have been able to afford Wyatt Mathisen, or John Sandfort, or Adrian Sampson, or some of the others in the draft. Max Moroff might be in college somewhere; Tyler Gaffney might never have signed.

And the extra pick leaves them in a very strong position for the upcoming draft. If they can sign either of their top two picks for something significantly under slot, they would have considerable money available for later round picks.

There have been accusations that they drafted Appel and hardballed him intentionally, to do that very thing. While there is considerable evidence to the contrary, as an analysis of their later draft shows. But perhaps this should be a strategy to be followed in the future. Having the potential for a great draft every other year, coupled with the ability to draft and sign a lot of high-risk high-reward picks in rounds 2-10, may well turn out to be a solid plan as teams start to figure out how to work the new rules to their advantage.

Besides, it would just shatter my fragile little heart to see Scott Boras watch client after client get drafted in the 1st round and not get a penny over slot ever again.

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By: Y2JGQ2 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/02/first-pitch-mark-appel-made-a-very-common-decision.html#comment-24902 Sun, 17 Feb 2013 23:56:49 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=46931#comment-24902 Here’s the thing- It’s not about being sour cause he wouldn’t sign. It IS about people having to pay for being greedy and/or making blatantly stupid decisions. No, and mean zero unbiased advisors would have recommended him to skip out on guaranteed money, have one less year of earning power in his career, and risk the chance of a career ending injury while playing for free, with the extremely low upside of possibly only going up 7 spots. This wasn’t a kid drafted 34th, he was drafted 8th. The difference of the money between #1 and #8 with the new rules just isn’t very much. The earning power on the back end of his career is worth 3-4 times as much as that value he is losing per year at the beginning. Its just a stupid move. People, at some point, have to pay for doing stupid things. That is why we will boo him and secretly, or not secretly, hope he blows out his arm, or turns into Rick Ankiel and forgets where the plate is. It isn’t personal, but someone needs to hit these kids with a dose of reality. I’m hoping personally he just has an awful year and falls to 20th. Then he can take half of what we gave him, and maybe fire Boras…..

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/02/first-pitch-mark-appel-made-a-very-common-decision.html#comment-24901 Sun, 17 Feb 2013 22:41:53 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=46931#comment-24901 Probably the best way to compare it would be looking at the BA rankings then and now. It would be hard to go off draft spots, since players fall for reasons other than talent.

Take Austin Wilson, as an example. He was ranked 27th by BA in 2010. He fell to the 12th round because of signability issues. Now he’s a top ten prospect. So he improved in both measures, but the draft spot doesn’t tell the story. He went from a late first round talent to an early first round talent.

Guys like Kubitza, Hursh, and Kingham were in the 150-185 range, and ranked in that order. Emanuel wasn’t in the top 200. BA has only released an early top 50 for this year. Emanuel was 47th, so he’s clearly improved his stock. Hursh was ranked as the 37th best college player, and Kubitza was 71st (Emanuel was 21st, for reference). I’d estimate that this would put them as 3rd-4th round talents to start the year when you factor in the prep players. That’s an improvement over where they were drafted previously, and they can still move up.

It’s hard to say where Kingham would fit in.

I don’t think they’ve seen any later round guys from this draft become a first rounder. They may have a second rounder or two. I think Emanuel could go that high, and same with Hursh. I’d say Kingham is about the same level as Hursh.

Out of all the drafts, I think their best over-slot pick — signed or unsigned — has been Tyler Glasnow. He has the look of a guy who, if he had gone to college while doing the things he’s doing now, would have been a first round talent in 2014. But that’s just based on his stuff, primarily on his velocity increase.

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By: cyphtime http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/02/first-pitch-mark-appel-made-a-very-common-decision.html#comment-24900 Sun, 17 Feb 2013 22:01:41 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=46931#comment-24900 For sure you can’t really compare stats. Maybe what I was thinking was comparing perception among people with some knowledge of prospects. For example have guys shown continued to show the projected potential of when they were drafted or are they looking less promising as compared to a guy who went to college after being taken in the 20th round and is now considered a first rounder showing he’s improved his draft stock

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By: esd4 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/02/first-pitch-mark-appel-made-a-very-common-decision.html#comment-24898 Sun, 17 Feb 2013 20:50:07 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=46931#comment-24898 ha ha. good one.

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