Comments on: Starling Marte Boosted His Stock in Winter Ball http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/02/starling-marte-boosted-his-stock-in-winter-ball.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Sun, 15 Jun 2014 12:55:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.3 By: George Hareras http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/02/starling-marte-boosted-his-stock-in-winter-ball.html#comment-24464 Mon, 04 Feb 2013 15:15:57 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=46520#comment-24464 nice Jaque Jones reference

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By: George Hareras http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/02/starling-marte-boosted-his-stock-in-winter-ball.html#comment-24463 Mon, 04 Feb 2013 15:07:41 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=46520#comment-24463 Plus Snider’s arm in RF is no joke either

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By: Ian Rothermund http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/02/starling-marte-boosted-his-stock-in-winter-ball.html#comment-24454 Sun, 03 Feb 2013 20:44:32 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=46520#comment-24454 I disagree with you comment about how Marte should be the right fielder, as that would be a failure on the management side to utilize defensive tools efficiently. Yeah he has the best arm. But considering the layout of PNC park, the best set up is to essentially have a second center fielder in left. It’s a shorter throw from in front of the Clemente wall to third base than it is from the North Side Notch, and that’s normally where the perceived necessity for having a strong armed right fielder comes from.

Also, to really break it down. Most hitters are right handed. Most hitters are also pull hitters. Hence, most hitters are right handed, pull hitters. Also, assuming that you would prefer to have your best defensive player handling the majority of defensive attempts would mean that you would prefer to have your best defensive outfielder in either left or center.

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By: Ian Rothermund http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/02/starling-marte-boosted-his-stock-in-winter-ball.html#comment-24453 Sun, 03 Feb 2013 20:38:37 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=46520#comment-24453 Yeah, but Bourn has averaged that much, or close to it, for his career. One year Cutch had 20, then everyone was like, here’s a 30-30 guy. I think he can be, but it’s difficult to just assign that kind of production to a guy.

I would be very happy with those numbers from Marte as well, that would be a fantastic first full season for him and would go a long way towards solidifying him as a “core” player.

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By: Ian Rothermund http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/02/starling-marte-boosted-his-stock-in-winter-ball.html#comment-24452 Sun, 03 Feb 2013 20:35:18 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=46520#comment-24452 Yeah, I have no doubt that he’ll still provide value at the leadoff spot. I think he has a ton of potential. What most people probably have an issue coming to grips with, and even what I had trouble with in my previous comment, is that the leadoff spot only really matters in the first inning. After that, it’s really just a matter of who you want having the most AB’s per game. Considering the kind of versatility in speed, power, and the ability to create on the base paths are all things that should be welcomed in the Pirates lineup. Now that I’ve thought more about it, I would love to see a lineup starting off with….

1.) Marte
2.) Walker
3.) McCutchen
4.) Alvarez

Those are the four guys I would want to see get the most opportunities each game for this team. Everyone gets stuck in this, what’s an ideal leadoff hitter, what’s the ideal #2. I remember seeing an article a while ago, maybe even on this site, that essentially stated that the most efficient lineup is one that is structured where the player with the highest OPS bats first then ranging down to the lowest OPS batting ninth. That would even play into the concept of the pitcher batting ninth, not eighth, which I always thought was ridiculous anyhow.

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By: Susanne Klich Langford http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/02/starling-marte-boosted-his-stock-in-winter-ball.html#comment-24445 Sun, 03 Feb 2013 17:15:29 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=46520#comment-24445 Yeah, DeJesus is definitely ready. He can do no more in the minors. It is just a matter of executing in the mlb now. He doesn’t really have good speed but I will take anyone that can get on, hit some doubles and steal a few bases up there. I have always been a fan of guys that can hit 40-50+ XBH in the leadoff spot. Steals are unpredictible. never understood why there wasn’t a stat on the line for primary leadoff hitters that added their xbh and sb. No matter what any of the sabermetrics guys say…and i am one…a leadoff hitter still gets a guaranteed leadoff once a game and if you have a good one getting on and scoring puts pressure on the opposing starter and changes the game. Getting up early is always better than trailing early. How many bad teams did Tim Raines, and Rickey Henderson…or even Vince Coleman for that matter play on? .280+ and 40-50 walks (If he can only walk that much)a year for Marte along with his 25+ steals and pop will be a nightmare for opponents. We had Cutch for a short time at #1…but we didn’t have Cutch hitting 3rd behind him. Marte may eventually have too much pop to bat leadoff for us…but i hope he can be the ignitor for us this year.

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By: Susanne Klich Langford http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/02/starling-marte-boosted-his-stock-in-winter-ball.html#comment-24444 Sun, 03 Feb 2013 16:58:19 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=46520#comment-24444 Yes, he definitely will be. We dont have anyone else really…unless you put Presley up there vs. some righties. I feel like Presley will be better. If he plays only a little better than his career averages so far he is a decent #4. 54 XBH in 584 ab will help make up for the .302 obp. Definitely a turning point year for Presley. Hopefully we have a Jaque Jones type player in him and not another Chris Duffy.

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By: Susanne Klich Langford http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/02/starling-marte-boosted-his-stock-in-winter-ball.html#comment-24443 Sun, 03 Feb 2013 16:48:37 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=46520#comment-24443 Agreed. But the Pirates have consistently had guys with .300 obps…or even a few times worse leading off over the last 20 years. You have to at least have guys getting on a third of the time up there to have a consistent offense and put pressure on opposing pitchers.

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By: rburgh http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/02/starling-marte-boosted-his-stock-in-winter-ball.html#comment-24439 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:52:26 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=46520#comment-24439 Yeah, I wonder who the top 7 were. You’d think that a line that approached .300-.400-.500 from a guy just establishing himself in the majors would rank in the top few. That’s a powerful accomplishment.

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By: rburgh http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/02/starling-marte-boosted-his-stock-in-winter-ball.html#comment-24438 Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:50:30 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=46520#comment-24438 I was thinking more in micro terms. I just think they dissed IDJ because they don’t consider him a top prospect. But they watch (or talk to people who watch) the games; maybe he just murdered the 2nd line pitching and got smothered by what he might see in the majors.

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