Comments on: First Pitch: Phil Irwin a Serious Contender For the Rotation? http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/03/first-pitch-phil-irwin-a-serious-contender-for-the-rotation.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:29:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: cpc http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/03/first-pitch-phil-irwin-a-serious-contender-for-the-rotation.html#comment-25230 Wed, 13 Mar 2013 02:06:46 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=47859#comment-25230 Just that he’s taking space on the 40 man, is pencilled in as the long man out of the pen pending Karstens return, and maybe should be considered for the 5th man rather than Irwin, who likely needs time at AAA, and either Locke or McPherson, who each could maybe be better served initially with the role as a long man

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/03/first-pitch-phil-irwin-a-serious-contender-for-the-rotation.html#comment-25225 Tue, 12 Mar 2013 20:51:41 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=47859#comment-25225 I’m not sure what Leroux has to do with any of this.

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By: cpc http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/03/first-pitch-phil-irwin-a-serious-contender-for-the-rotation.html#comment-25224 Tue, 12 Mar 2013 20:47:12 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=47859#comment-25224 Not for nuttin’, but there’s that Chris Leroux dude everyone seems to enjoy ignoring. Phil Irwin is a pup and could stand some more seasoning at AAA. Let’s see what Leroux is made of over the first 20 games of the season

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By: jalcorn http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/03/first-pitch-phil-irwin-a-serious-contender-for-the-rotation.html#comment-25223 Tue, 12 Mar 2013 19:22:28 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=47859#comment-25223 Nearly everything you mention changes when a guys is facing top MLB talent (demeanor, pitch selection, control, sound of contact).

Irwin is barely a prospect while Locke has the better talent. Locke getting shelled by AAA is not particularly heartening, but I will take his body of performance over Irwin by a mile.

Last spring Danny Moskos was pitching lights out against minor leaguers late in games. Its critical to understand the the limitations of basing much of anything on these spring games. That is what leads to thinking that Matt Hague is an answer at 1B.

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By: leadoff http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/03/first-pitch-phil-irwin-a-serious-contender-for-the-rotation.html#comment-25221 Tue, 12 Mar 2013 18:47:04 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=47859#comment-25221 I was using no stats to make my case, I said it was “how” he pitched that counted, I don’t care if the opposition was a bunch of little leaguers, his delivery, his demeaner, his pitch selections and his control, the sound of the ball coming off the bat, all of which had little to do with who he was pitching against. Incidently that same bunch of AAA players was knocking Locke around pretty good. I am not saying it never matters who a pitcher is pitching against, just in this case my point is more concentrated on what the pitcher is doing not the opposition, as you said St stats are meaningless and to a degree they are.

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By: jalcorn http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/03/first-pitch-phil-irwin-a-serious-contender-for-the-rotation.html#comment-25220 Tue, 12 Mar 2013 16:10:01 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=47859#comment-25220 It matters tremendously who he was pitching against.
He faced Alexi Casilla, Jason Pridie, Ryan Flaherty, Conor Jackson, Lew Ford, Trayvon Robinson, Brandon Waring, Chris Dickerson, Steve Pearce, Russ Canzler, Danny Valencia, LJ Hoes, Yamaico Navarro, and Luis Exposito. Not a MLB starter or even a good prospect in the bunch.

Come back in off the ledge leadoff. ST stats are meaningless for reasons like this.

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By: Ian Rothermund http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/03/first-pitch-phil-irwin-a-serious-contender-for-the-rotation.html#comment-25218 Tue, 12 Mar 2013 14:59:38 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=47859#comment-25218 I think all of them have knocks against them. At this point, I think I would still have Locke at the top of the list. He’s done the most to prove himself at the upper levels, I believe he has the most experience in the majors so far, and while he’s had a couple poor starts so far this spring, he’s also had considerably better starts than McPherson. If I was ranking them, I’d probably say that Lock has had a couple really good and a couple really bad starts so far, whereas McPherson has been consistently blah so far. I think McPherson would ultimately benefit from getting at least 10-15 starts in AAA this year before anyone starts to think about where he should fit in. As far as projection is concerned, I just think Locke is more or less where he’s going to be for his career, while McPherson still has room to grow.

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By: leadoff http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/03/first-pitch-phil-irwin-a-serious-contender-for-the-rotation.html#comment-25217 Tue, 12 Mar 2013 14:50:23 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=47859#comment-25217 It did not matter who Irwin was pitching to, it was how he pitched that counted, even if he would have gotten hit, which he did in one inning. Also the O’s did not do much substituting at all when or before Irwin came in, it was much later when they did their wholesale subbing.
No one that I have seen does more subbing than Hurdle. He took Marte out in the 4th inning for a double switch, ouch!

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By: James Weible http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/03/first-pitch-phil-irwin-a-serious-contender-for-the-rotation.html#comment-25216 Tue, 12 Mar 2013 14:06:04 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=47859#comment-25216 I agree, especially after seeing Locke get rocked by that “AAA” lineup!

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By: leadoff http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/03/first-pitch-phil-irwin-a-serious-contender-for-the-rotation.html#comment-25215 Tue, 12 Mar 2013 14:04:47 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=47859#comment-25215 Since I have seen all three of these guys pitch, this is how I would rank them without using any stats, because stats are hard to use when trying to separate them.
1. Irwin
2. McPherson
3. Locke
I also think Irwin and McPherson throw hard enough and have enough overall stuff that is hard to predict how far up the their ceilings are, Locke is easier to figure out.
I am kind of disappointed that Irwin is not getting the same chance as Locke and McPherson, he is a starter he needs to prepare like a starter, he has been a starter every where he has been. I would like to see how he does with a proper start.
If you go by the competition that these pitchers are pitching against, Taillon should make the starting rotation, nobody on the Pirates pitching staff has faced tougher competition this spring.

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